Edit: Alt Text: Speed limit c arcminutes^2 per steradian.

  • pelya@lemmy.world
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    13 days ago

    There’s nothing wrong with kilowatts, it’s an SI unit. The problem is hour, which is 3600 seconds, and we have ancient Egyptians to blame for this, who divided the day into 24 hours despite having already developed base-10 numerical system.

    Kilowatt per kilosecond, which is 1 megajoule, would work better.

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        12 days ago

        That actually works great.

        60 is cleanly divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, and 30.

        10 is cleanly divisible by 1, 2, and 5.

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          12 days ago

          Yeah Babylon was very clever but also looking at their math and writing makes it clear why they had to have a class of people to do their math and writing

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      12 days ago

      I really don’t get the issue with kWh. Things are rated in W and we mostly care about the hours they’re powered on. If I wanna figure out how many kWh a PC that needs 300W used in 4 hours, I multiply 300*4. If I wanna know how many joules it used, I have to do 300*4*3600. Only one of those can be done in your head in 3 seconds.

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        12 days ago

        You gotta use an escape character, specifically a backslash ( \ ), when dealing with *s on lemmy.

        Otherwise you end up with “stufflike this!”

        When it could have been “stuff*like this*!”

        ETA: Damn, you’re good. Fixed it before I even finished this post!

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    14 days ago

    kWh is already an uncanceled unit, drives me nuts even without adding per day

    (Energy / time) * time? fuck you

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      It’s because the times aren’t the same. Maybe same unit but different context so they can’t be canceled.

      It’s like saying you work 8 Hours/day (Eight hours per day). Both are units of time, but their context is different and their combination forms a new meaning beyond the units.

      1 KWh is using 1KW for one hour. Because of demand pricing the time you use that KW is important. Like in terms of energy grid using a whole ton of power for one minute vs same total over a long time is different and important dispite being the same amount of energy.

      Edit: some phrasing

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        I know why but it’s stupid and arbitrary and the arbitraryness is what’s forcing it.

        It’s the time. It’s always the time.

        SI units are all derived from seconds but instead of working with kiloseconds we have minutes and hours and days with a bunch of idiotic conversions.

        The “second” you invite time into your measure, you invite some real bullshit ad-hoc pseudo-unit convenience units and fuck them. May as well just go imperial and have 14 rods to the fucking hogshead.

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    12 days ago

    But what temperature is that at? And what is the ambient temperature? And what if the power is not at exactly 120V? And what about if I put a fresh dead hooker in it every day?

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        12 days ago

        Unless you’re converting seconds to minutes, hours, days, years, etc.

        Then you get things like watt hours. Or light years.

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          12 days ago

          Fun trivia. It’s called a second because it’s the second division of an hour after minutes. You can keep going with thirds and fourths for sub second time.

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    14 days ago

    For something that doesn’t run continuously, like eg. a refrigerator, then an average daily usage is more useful, no? “This product draws 1.5 kW with a duty cycle of 0.08” doesn’t really help when comparing efficiencies of potential purchases, you’d need to convert it to electricity consumed in a set period anyway.

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      13 days ago

      Exactly, it’s a unit of convenience, not a unit of abstract precision.

      Even a unit of “gallons/sqft” could be handy in the right context. If you were trying to design a storage solution for discretely packaged product for example, it could be a figure of merit despite literally factoring out to a unit of length.

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        I could imagine a scenario where gal/ft² is useful. Like with grocery store shelving figuring shelving and product stacking. If liquid storage containers are stackable then you have have more gallons per square footage of shelf space. Or of they’re not stackable, then taller containers would hold more liquid in the same shelf space than shorter containers with the same footprint.

        Yeah it seems odd to represent something as a volume/area, but that is the relevant information you’re comparing and it’s intuitive how that number changes based on changes to volume as projected onto an area. Bigger number points toward a more efficient use of shelving.

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          12 days ago

          It’s pretty common to use acre inches and acre foot as a unit of volume for measuring water in agriculture, water use, flood mitigation, etc.

          So if we can use area height as a volumetric unit, by not volume/area as a height unit?