Testing medicines on humans is basically testing in production
I test drugs on my (production) system!
Would be more apt if animals’ physiology was even remotely similar to humans though. Test environments in programming can at least be exact replicas of production environments.
But but it worked on my machine
In 2004, the FDA estimated that 92 percent of drugs that pass preclinical tests, including “pivotal” animal tests, fail to proceed to the market.More recent analysis suggests that, despite efforts to improve the predictability of animal testing, the failure rate has actually increased and is now closer to 96 percent
Most test animals have a great deal of similarities to humans, white mice specifically.
Do you think they just grab a random kitten and shove drugs up its bum until it bursts?
There’s actual medication that was tested on animals that was completely fine then when it got approved it was given to human women and caused crazy amounts of miscarriages. Different species are not comparable when it comes to medication, testing on animals is almost completely pointless.
Yes they’re not the same. Do you think scientist are unaware of that? It is most certainly not almost completely pointless. Are you?
You’d be surprised how stubborn some people can be in keeping with older ways of doing things, even more so in academia and the like.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear
It sometimes feels as if the medical and scientific knowledge of people who are hardline against animal testing at all is exactly that and only that thinking, yes.
Good that we have a steady supplie of shitty people then :-)
Paraphrased: everyone has a production environment, if you’re lucky you have a test environment too.
Not entirely true… If you write libraries for other developers you can use them as beta testers. Your customers have a production environment, but you don’t. At least, that’s what one of our vendors seems to think…
We have a test environment but it’s a hot mess. All the data is made up and extremely low quality. All the things you would normally interface with are also in test, but getting other teams to coordinate testing in the test space is… a chore. We do the best we can with mock services, but without having real services or representative data some of the data pattern assumptions don’t play out. Leaders value writing code and our lack of architects that span teams mean that when team architects either don’t meet ahead of time, make assumptions, or don’t ever agree on a design then…
We always host UAT. We also track logins. Guess how many users even show up for UAT, let alone actually click on anything.
This is why the vast majority of our testing happens in prod when our users are doing real work.
Sorry for the baby rant :)
Thanks for my new teams pfp
Can’t say I recommend
Okay but how would you even teast software on animals?
Cat walking across the keyboard
If a monkey can use it, everyone can?
Yeah right. The idiom is a thousand monkeys with typewriters could eventually produce the entire works of Shakespeare, not end users.
The Matrix?
How are you producing animals then?
We’ve solved ethics. Pack it up everyone
Testing in production rules actually. Use feature flags and monitoring and you’re all good
Tags also work well; it’s how I’ve been making hot fixes for that last 3 years. Lol
Always test in production!
Extra environments cost money. Testers cost money. Users pay to use your software and test it for free!
I’m thankful you’re not my PM.
Oh yeah? Then explain dogfooding.
