• Hellfire103@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      56·
      2 months ago

      Going from lawful to chaotic, good to evil, we have:

      • Gecko (Firefox, Seamonkey, and derivatives)
      • Servo
      • Libweb (Ladybird)
      • Links2 (as well as ELinks and other forks)
      • WebKit (used in a lot of stuff, namely Safari and GNOME Web)
      • Goanna (Pale Moon and Basilisk)
      • QtWebEngine (Konqueror, Falkon, and qutebrowser)
      • Blink (Chromium, Brave, and derivatives)
      • Trident (Internet Explorer, old versions of Maxthon, old versions of Avant, and any homemade browser created with Visual Studio).
      • jqubed@lemmy.world
        10·
        2 months ago

        These are browser engines, or at least software for rendering HTML but not necessarily the actual browser. I don’t know them all, but top left, Gecko, is the engine for Mozilla, center is Web Kit for Safari, bottom center is Chromium for Chrome, Brave, Edge, etc., and bottom right is Trident, the old engine for Microsoft Internet Explorer.

        • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          5·
          2 months ago

          what’s the difference between the engine and the browser itself? is it similar to the Linux kernel vs the Debian user space?

          • Ephera@lemmy.mlEnglish
            6·
            2 months ago

            The engine makes it so HTML, CSS, JavaScript etc. are downloaded and turned into pixels you can look at. The browser embeds an engine for that purpose, but then also has a URL bar, tabs, bookmarks, a history feature and so on.

        • Engywook@lemm.ee
          11·
          2 months ago

          These are browser engines, or at least software for rendering HTML but not necessarily the actual browser.

          That’s why this post makes no sense. There’s no “evil” rendering engine. They should be judged by technical parameters.

    • rtxn@lemmy.worldM
      244·
      2 months ago

      People are losing their shit, calling for boycotts, and throwing around accusations of transphobia over comments in the source code and a single line of documentation? Seriously? And brigading the developer three years after the fact‽ I was ready to write off Ladybird, but damn, this was taken way out of proportion.

      I’m all in for equal treatment, but people need to get a perspective. Such an extreme reaction will ultimately hurt the cause they’re trying to advocate for. Getting bent out of shape and publicly brigading something for every perceived slight, every time someone’s feelings are hurt, or can’t get their way, will get them – and the demographic or movement they represent – labelled as undesirable.

      • erotador@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        108·
        2 months ago

        not sure how exactly I’m losing my shit? I posted a single link, and let people decide for themselves, if your fine with supporting sexist people then nobody is stopping you.

        and personally I don’t care if you think I’m hurting my cause, people who get this butthurt over some simple words and basic respect, simply are not the kind of people who I want to be around anyways.

        • rtxn@lemmy.worldM
          111·
          2 months ago

          I worded that poorly. The “you” was plural (I want the singular “thou” back) and meant to refer to the people who are losing their shit, not any one individual.

          (edit) I also just want to point out that accusing me of being a sexist sympathizer and two hours later posting this shit is real funny.

        • kekmacska@lemmy.zipEnglish
          31·
          2 months ago

          I dont really want to ruin your mood but when hundreds of people are working on a project, there will be always individuals that are not so nice and go personal on others

      • mke@programming.dev
        22·
        2 months ago

        A single line of documentation? How about looking into some context? Hurt feelings my ass, Andreas isn’t some innocent, silly little guy who never does anything questionable.

        And which cause exactly are you talking about? Because I don’t know about you, but I’ll stand for real, marginalized people over lines of code on a screen any day.

      • call_me_xale@lemmy.zip
        138·
        2 months ago

        The fact that someone else fixed the issue doesn’t really excuse the absolutely unacceptable original response to a very reasonable request.

        I’m much more interested in seeing an apology, or any sort of indication that the dev understands how disrespectful they were.

    • fl42v@lemmy.ml
      144·
      2 months ago

      Lmao, a weird choice of a hill to die on. Although, given I’ve seen ppl refer to a user account as “he” exactly 0 times before that, I suspect the dev may speak smth like French natively, where everything is either male or female.

      That said, i’d rather use “it” instead of “they”, given an account (and anon one at that) is not a person.

        • fl42v@lemmy.ml
          8·
          2 months ago

          Huh, checked out their noun genders, and those are quite interesting: 2 genders, but common and neuter instead of masculine and feminine. So out goes that theory

          • Petter1@lemm.ee
            1·
            2 months ago

            Imagine explaining gendering to a person used to ise a language where it isn’t existing 🤔 of course, it seems unnecessary for that person

            Or have I understood that wrong?

            • kekmacska@lemmy.zipEnglish
              5·
              2 months ago

              Hungarian language for example is completly genderless. 2 pronouns are used: ő (person, more intelligent animals), ez/az (depending on the first letter) (objects, less intelligent animals)

            • fl42v@lemmy.ml
              3·
              2 months ago

              Not exactly. In English, stuff that’s not a person is of neutral gender, i.e. just “it” (unless the speaker has an affection towards it, then it’s usually a “she”). In other languages stuff also has “genders”, like “la chambre” (the French* for “a room”) is a “she”.

              So, my initial guess was that the dev natively speaks some language, where a user is a “he”, and ppl don’t have a concept of a neutral gender. But in case of Swedish there are 2 variants of “it” for things [edit: there’s “it” and “they”], so it seems incorrect.

              * I’m using French instead of, for example, Russian here due to it not having a neutral gender, while Russian has “it” and something akin to “they” (like “задира”, the Russian for a bully). Although, I may be wrong here, since I’ve started learning French quite recently, and may’ve missed smth.

        • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip
          71·
          2 months ago

          Like the comment I replied to. I understand calling people out but that is such an irrelevant topic to the discussion.

          It’s not always sunshine and rainbows but I don’t see the need to whine about every little thing.

          Also note that I’m being fair here. Majority people who are not into foss simply avoid it because of how often they see people bitching about said foss products. It’s just not a good look.

          • Turret3857@infosec.pubEnglish
            76·
            2 months ago

            I mean I understand why you feel that way but if someone were to refer to me as a woman, as a cis guy I would take it as a sign of disrespect, so I feel more obliged to take the side of the people who are complaining. I feel it is somewhat relevant considering one of the projects mentioned is developed by the people in the link.

  • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
    15·
    2 months ago

    I’m not sure I have a lot of faith in Servo but we are in need of anything better than Gecko. Ladybird is the new one on the block and we will see if it goes anywhere. I like that Ladybird it’s own web browser.

    • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
      5·
      2 months ago

      Same cause nowadays you have to rely on a for profit company for your browser engine.

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
        21·
        2 months ago

        I don’t have any issue as long as there are options and the company isn’t actively hostile.

        • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          true, if it was a company like suse,redhat who was for-profit and had a good browser engine then sure if its like google then maybe but for-profit companies are known to be problematic.

          • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            I think the key thing is to have checks and balances and or incentives so that a browser doesn’t become just a tool to sell stuff. For instance, I hear the Mullvad browser is pretty good. It isn’t independent for obvious reasons but the idea still applies.

    • shortrounddev@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      2 months ago

      Ladybird seems almost singularly focused on macOS development. They say that they intend to incrementally move from C++ to Swift

      • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        Swift is decent, one of the biggest .net (c#) people gave a talk at godotcon about whay he likes it better than c#

        It works cross platform, it’s just developed by apple

    • trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world
      91·
      2 months ago

      It’s been said before, but Ladybird (and their OS) are made by someone who’s two steps away from having a glorious TempleOS style mental collapse, so I will personally fight in the Mozilla trenches.

      Info on this? He seems pretty reasonable from what I’ve seen of him.

        • rtxn@lemmy.worldM
          8·
          2 months ago

          So your entire spiel is based on one interaction, extrapolated by… what, vibes? Feelings? Aren’t we supposed to be the objective and rational ones?

  • 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    1·
    2 months ago

    Is there anything one could even install anymore based off of IE’s engine? That’d be a fun one to put on the old beater machine.