TheEvilSkeleton (@TheEvilSkeleton@treehouse.systems)
social.treehouse.systems
Hmm... So, requiring a [sandbox](https://github.com/bottlesdevs/Bottles/pull/3583) to run @usebottles@mastodon.online is considered evil and proprietary software, but [patching it to remove the donate button without updating support links](https://build.opensuse.org/projects/openSUSE:Factory/packages/Bottles/files/dont-support.patch?expand=1) is considered fine? Uh huh...
  • DoeJohn@lemmy.worldOP
    23·
    22 days ago

    The creator and maintainer of openSUSE Aeon leans towards support of the decision, as he says “package maintaners can do whatever they want”.

  • Oikio@lemmy.world
    191·
    22 days ago

    I read the drama in Twitter and PR.

    While Bottles maintainer does not do a great job to politely prove the point of the patch to disable Bottles outside of sandboxed environments, he is not required to be a diplomat as mainter (though it would be better, of course) and Bottles decision makes total sense - they asked to not package their software long ago as they drown in bugs and supporting non predictable environment with unknown dependencies creates too many problems for them. I can understand that, development is hard as it is, unpredictability of environment multiplies this complexity.

    They are maintainers and they do what they can to support the project, so removing donate button while packaging software done by others (who asked not to do it) is a childish move. Yes it’s FOSS, but morally it sounds a bit wrong.

    We ask too much of mainters when it comes to soft skills, not all of us got these, but also not all of us are FOSS maintainers. And I think we should stop asking everyone to possess all skills in the world and react on someone’s rudeness as we are 5 (not saying we shouldn’t improve).

    • john89@lemmy.ca
      22·
      21 days ago

      as they drown in bugs and supporting non predictable environment with unknown dependencies creates too many problems for them

      This is a legit non-issue for so many other projects. What makes bottles special?

      • Oikio@lemmy.world
        1·
        21 days ago

        It was described in open letter if I recall correctly, bottles is as special as any other project is to any other project, it depends on perspective. But beyond technical details - It is their decision as maintainers, you do not agree with it, I can understand it.

  • T0RB1T@lemmy.ca
    10·
    22 days ago

    https://github.com/bottlesdevs/Bottles/issues/2345#issuecomment-1733132198

    To me it looks like the devs of Bottles said that they’d be patching Bottles to remove support links in non-flatpak versions.

    So… isn’t what openSUSE did in the spirit of that? Obviously, them packaging it at all is against the devs’ wishes, but… I dunno, this whole thing is a mess.

    Edit: I may have confused “support links” with the “donate button”. However, I am still confused, and this situation is a mess. I sympathize with the bottles devs, because it’s good software, and they are largely volunteer developers. Beyond that? *exaggerated shrug*

  • john89@lemmy.ca
    26·
    21 days ago

    I support suse in this regard.

    2 things to the bottles devs:

    1. Focus on improving your software, not who is redistributing it.

    2. If packaging it is “so difficult,” maybe you could be doing a better job to make it easier? Just an idea!

    In all honesty, the bottles team doesn’t want people to repackage their software because their donation buttons might get removed. Greedy little fellas!