My company recently migrated from on-premise to AWS to “save money”; in the first month we now have test environment instances which we shut down outside of business hours because of high cost.
Great, so work gets done slower AND we pay more? Fucking genius.
Cloud is a sick joke to capture revenue.
Are you counting in the cost of running on prem? Hardware, aircon, building security, electricity, hardware tech support?
Yeah, but it’s OpEx, so it’s just imaginary expenditure.
I’ve heard this before but I still can’t wrap my head around why some money counts and some doesn’t
Because it’s someone else’s fault.
Creative business accounting.
Not to self-promote, but I have expressed my opinion on the topic.
Wait until you will need a team of people to optimize cloud costs.(finops) for peak irony.
I miss having data centres.
It was fine to run a SQL query that took 6 hours because the cost was a few dollars.
Now that cost is thousands of dollars.
Hurray!
I used to be on a team of 10 people that installed & managed roughly 3,000 servers and associated networking gear. We got hit hard in the early 2000’s by the Capacitor Plague and it fell on me to identify around 700 faulty motherboards and manage their replacement.
I don’t miss that at all…
Thankfully I’m not in IT, but I worked at a place that ordered a batch of faulty drives.
That was a pain in the ass.
I can’t argue, but there are benefits.
If you need something running 24/7 then on-prem may work out cheaper for you. Keep in mind you need a team of server monkeys to keep that running, and your company’s security certifications will come nowhere near that of a major cloud provider.
Cloud is good for elastic workloads. And you can save money that way if you’re set up for it. A simple lift and shift will always be more expensive. But doing things like moving build tasks to spot instances and auto scaling capacity in peak periods is a huge win. No need to over provision your DC and no need to upgrade your hardware – generally AWS releases new products at roughly the same price as old but with increased performance. You get upgrades “for free”* with no capex.
Again I’m not saying that your circumstance means that cloud isn’t more expensive. But there are medium term benefits.
AWS refused to offer hybrid as an option for years. They’ve changed their tune in the past 5 or so. No reason not to take advantage and do what mix makes sense for you.
You’re gonna get some “git gud scrub” responses, but really the high cost is just what everyone discovers; it’s just your turn.
In both my jobs I went through the eager take-up of (pub) cloud and saas schemes, and then the eventual 90% repatriation of compute.
Turns out it’s still cheaper to run your own team with your own priv-cloud gear in a DC. Like, usually by a good amount. Yes, Virginia, even if you’re a black belt cloud master of saas (which is just sales and kool-aid).
Get customer to platform
Lock in customer
Raise costs
Profit
Atlassian hasn’t had a great history of
- Understanding cloud
- Deploying anything reliable into the cloud
Now they’re 100% SAAS? This is gonna be sad.
I’m legitimately curious to understand more (not challenging your assertions). They offer hosted Jira/Confluence and probably other stuff no-one cares about.
What’s the problem with adoption?
“The Cloud” just means “someone else’s sever”. A lot of people who should know better just don’t get that.
It’s entertaining to take almost any internal memo or external press release and substitute “someone else’s server” every time “the cloud” appears. They all suddenly look insane.
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That’s the beauty of modern corporate capitalism. The upper tiers of management are shielded from any responsibility by their subordinates. Their subordinates then have a strong incentive to shift the responsibility elsewhere so it doesn’t fall on them. Paying someone else to take the responsibility does not actually benefit the company, except may be in the short-term, but it does benefit the people who get to make the decisions about it.
And if the service provider really screws up, and loses too many contracts, they either sell out to another company just like themselves, make further profit, and go back to doing what they were doing, or they shut down, form a new company, and go back to what they were doing.
The only people who can be hurt by all of this are the regular employees, who lose their jobs as part of the cycle, and, occasionally, the shareholders, who are never adequately represented by the board. It’s a prefect system where bad decisions only affect those who have no part in them.
Yup, migrating the docs from on-prem confluence to the cloud one has just been an utter disaster in my company.
I don’t even want to know how much we pay for this shit.
Depends on seat count. But even a “small” (the smallest bucket of seats is 500) on prem install of data center/confluence can be in 6 figures…
