Dunno - its a community. The one who creates it decides how to run it and you can freely decide if you want to join or not. If you go on .ml, blahaj or hexbear, you should not expect sane people, let alone mods.

Not really. On reddit, you just don’t see what the mods are doing.

So counter strike was not gambling before they started to sell hardware?

Nuclear options rarely are the best ones, especially in a case where the harm caused doesn’t even remotely warrant it.

Parents should keep an eye on their kids so this can’t happen. That’s what parents are supposed to do. Removing a good feature because “MUUUH THINK OF THE KIDS” is wrong.

I think more responsibility should be on the individual and responsibility on the parents for minors.

At least we can agree on that.

I do think that we should expect easier parental controls with more granular settings to be able to allow parents to protect their kids from risky trades

Steam has an entire parental control setup with family view where you can completely restrict your children from purchasing or selling anything without your consent.

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/view/4149575031735702628

Yes eBay and Amazon is responsible for not vetting sellers and buyers on their platforms

Guess we fundamentally disagree on this point then.

But if you put all the necessary systems in place to be a casino

I don’t even see that.

What I see is valve offering random items in chests and third party sites gambling your skins away. But these things are not linked in the slightest. I just don’t see how valve is responsible for third parties misusing their platform.

In general, I much prefer the valve system because if I pull an item from a chest that I don’t like I can sell it and potentially get something I need instead of having a dead skin lying around (and therefore literally losing money).

But you can buy products and then sell yhose if you wanted to for legal tender.

In league of legends, I can get random essence from the chests. If I get enough of those, I can buy stuff from the store I could also buy for real money.

The only difference with valve is that they just show the outright amount instead of hiding it behind vbucks or some other fictional currency.

you could sell enough skins to buy Valve’s products, including hardware such as the Steam Deck and their VR headset

Yes, but to me, this is even an upside. Playing CS:GO for years and being able to sell all the skins you collected and converting them into enough money for a steamdeck seems to be a great deal and awesome functionality. If I stop league of legends, all the skins I earned in the game are basically lost.

Is your critique solely because of loot boxes or something else? Because I feel we mess up two topics: Lootboxes being immoral (something I would agree with, but with much worse offenders) and third-party sites offering an illegal casino on valves platform. I just don’t see valve responsible for that but rather the third party sites.

Idk if you unironically think that csgo is built like a casino you either never touched csgo or never set foot in a casino ngl.

But why would they? Trading skins is a big part of the game. I enjoy trading/selling/buying skins every now and then. There is nothing bad about being able to trade stuff.

The problem occurs when third party sellers abuse your platform - but why you would be mad at valve instead of those sellers is beyond me.

So amazon or ebay are responsible for a merchant scamming you?

Wüsthof is responsible for people being stabbed with their knives?

Ferrari is responsible for people driving too fast and crashing with their cars?

Or if we extend it into absurdity: Are you responsible for paying taxes that your country uses for bad purposes?

First of all, you don’t really get “real life money” - you get steam credits. There is no way to convert skins into real money without somehow using a third party sites which is already circumventing steams market. In a casino, if you gamble, you get either money directly or you get credits that you can exchange back to money after you leave.

So yes, I do call him stupid or dishonest for considering it gambling. Valves system is in no way, shape or form worse than stuff like yugioh, magic the gathering or pokemon TCGs that have been available for over 20 years now and much more easiely available aswell to children or even specifically marketed to them.

Which is ironic because fortnite is specifically tailored to children/teens and has had lootboxes until they got sued, had to remove it and were like: “Oh actually we always though lootboxes were stupid :( so we removed them :( pls like us :(.”

Now they’re probably trying to harm valve this way, which is dumb because counter strike is rated 18+.

And yeeees, no kid gives a shit about age rating - well aware of that. But I’m not sueing porn sites because kids can access porn with just clicking “Yes” on the popup.

Sorry to say but I’m not sure if you’re just dishonest as fuck right now or really stupid.

You pull random items out of cases and can sell these items - if you feel like it, you can buy specific items on the market. I don’t see the casino functionality.

No, there’s companies that abuse valves market for their underground casinos.

I honestly don’t get why you are mad at valve when they are not even in the slighest involved in that process apart from offering the market system. That’s like being mad at cloudflare or AWS because a website that scams you uses it.

For a purist like me, arch IS the best distro.

However, best for me doesn’t mean best for thee.

Rimworld

I just keep coming back.