• 1 Post
  • 72 Comments
Joined 2 years ago
cake
Cake day: July 13th, 2023

help-circle






  • The coalition agreements between parties keep the third parties more active and viable for sure. And third and fourth parties (and independents) are much more viable in smaller scale votes like individual districts that leans hard away from one of the major parties (much easier to get a democratic socialist voted for in a district where the Republicans dont stand a chance and so you have no reason to worry about the spoiler effect). But even in Canada, the PM vote ultimately came down between Carney and Poilievre, liberal and conservative, didnt it?


  • It’s not “splitting the vote” it’s just an election with more than two viable options.

    Say you have three major parties, the left wing democratic socialists, the moderate left liberals, and the right wing conservatives. The liberals do not generally support the more radical reforms of the democratic socialists, and the democratic socialists think that the liberal policies are too ineffectual and do not address the source of the problems as they see it. But they ultimately agree on the general direction the country should be moving and both of them know that the conservatives stand against nearly everything that they they stand for, and in fact have been recently marching towards far more dangerous policies that need to be stopped now. This should all sound very familiar.

    Now, polls show that the general public’s first pick for party representation have 25 percent support for democratic socialists, 33 percent for liberals, and 38 percent for conservatives, with 4 percent undecided. If everyone votes for their first choice, the left wing WILL lose and the conservative party will take control. Despite the majority of people generally on the same side, the left, they still lose. This is the spoiler effect.

    So say, instead, that people that fall in the middle, politically more between the liberals and democratic socialists see the writing on the wall and decide to switch from support from the democratic socialists to the liberals to ensure they don’t lose to the conservatives. Now the vote goes 16 percent democratic socialist, 43 percent liberal and 41 percent conservative and the liberals win by a narrow margin. This happens a few more time, maybe sometimes with the conservatives winning because people get comfortable voting again for the third party and spoiling the vote again just enough to lose the election for both left wing parties. Eventually, most people realize that the democratic socialists have no chance of gaining a plurality and so apart from a small percentage of hold outs, they get very few votes. Now you have a two party system. This is almost ALWAYS how this eventually happens.

    BTW, if you switch to Approval voting, those people get to vote as they see fit for as many parties/candidates as they see fit. Their could be dozens of parties/candidates running, and they could actively be running joint campaigns or endorsing one another and there is no spoiler effect unless a majority decide only to vote for one and only one candidate (which would be functionally identical to First Past the Post). In the example numbers, many of the liberals would have also supported the democratic socialists and vice versa. One of the two would have won (usually the more moderate party, but not always), and the conservatives would have had to compete with their joint efforts instead of letting them fight each other to the conservatives advantage.


  • The two party system is the natural inevitable result of First Past the Post voting. The spoiler effect of having a popular third party splitting the vote with their closest allies, granting the pluralityand the win to their opposition means that voters must be strategic and only vote for the party most likely to win between the two allies. This inevitably, always, leads to two polar parties dominating the political landscape. To kill the two party system, you need a better voting system. Ranked Choice is an improvement, but still tends to push toward the most polarizing parties. Personally, I like Approval Voting.



  • pinch bridge of nosedeep breath

    How the fuck is the left losing to literal insane people and morons. How the fuck are there DOZENS, if not hundreds, of people sitting in the highest positions of our government who believe 1000% in actually certifiable conspiracy theories about giants, space lasers, weather machines, chem trails, microchips vaccines, 5G mind control/Covid generation, and virgins blood drinking rituals… and yet we are still debating the democrats based on high brow merit.

    I fucking hate these people, but I really hate all of the mother fucking morons and degenerates that helped put them into these positions more. And that includes all of you dumbasses that just didnt vote for Kamala whether willfully or apathetically. I have no love for the woman either, but come the fuck on. Look what the fuck you have done. I’m so tired of pretending that any of this shit is abnormal and temporary and will be reigned in. There is no end in sight, and seems only likely to get way worse. Fuck all of you shortsighted, idiotic and hateful assholes. You did this and now we all suffer because of it.








  • It’s not “shit.” That’s just an over correction to its relative success for its mediocrity. Excluding the visuals, it’s fine. It’s not stellar, not terrible, just… fine. Simple. There are plenty of worse movie plots, dialogue and acting out there. It’s nowhere near unwatchable.

    It’s a vehicle for the visuals and technology showcasing on a basic film frame, yes. But, it’s allowed to be really good at one thing and appreciated for that.

    Like a plain chip in some bomb-ass dip. You could’ve scooped it on a dirty shoe and someone would have licked it clean. But, you gave me a plain chip instead, which is better… even if boring. So, thanks.



  • When I worked for a small business MSP, my boss had an off hours call about an issue, walked the guy through rebooting their server. He was monitoring the uptime so he saw it go off. Then he told them to turn it back on. The guy said he did, but my boss never saw it come back online. He asked him if it was lit up, the guy said yes. He said “are you sure”, and the guy, annoyed, said “yes! I see lights”. Waited a bit longer and it never came online. He called another person at the business to check, and they too confirmed that it was lit up. So he drove 35 minutes to go to their office, walked in their network closet and hit the power button, and magically it turned on. They were seeing the lights on the router, an entirely different machine sitting on top of the server and thought it was on. The issue was fixed by the reboot alone and my boss drove home very very annoyed.