I’ve got the feeling that GPU development is plateauing, new flagships are consuming an immense amount of power and the sizes are humongous. I do give DLSS, Local-AI and similar technologies the benefit of doubt but is just not there yet. GPUs should be more efficient and improve in other ways.
I’ve said for a while that AMD will eventually eclipse all of the competition, simply because their design methodology is so different compared to the others. Intel has historically relied on simply cramming more into the same space. But they’re reaching theoretical limits on how small their designs can be; They’re being limited by things like atom size and the speed of light across the distance of the chip. But AMD has historically used the same dies for as long as possible, and relied on improving their efficiency to get gains instead. They were historically a generation (or even two) behind Intel in terms of pure hardware power, but still managed to compete because they used the chips more efficiently. As AMD also begins to approach those theoretical limits, I think they’ll do a much better job of actually eking out more computing power.
And the same goes for GPUs. With Nvidia recently resorting to the “just make it bigger and give it more power” design philosophy, it likely means they’re also reaching theoretical limitations.
AMD never used chips “more efficiently”. They hit gold with the RYZEN design but everything before since Athlon was horrible and more useful as a room heater. And before athlon it was even worse. The k6/k6-2 where funny little buggers extending the life of ziff7 but it lacked a lot of features and dont get me started about their dx4/5 stuff which frequently died in spectacular manners.
Ryzen works because of chiplets and the stacking of the cache. Add some very clever stuff in the pipeline which I don’t presume to understand and the magic is complete. AMD is beating intel at it’s own game: it’s Ticks and tocks are way better and most important : executable. And that is something Intel hasn’t been able to really do for several years. It only now seems to be returning.
And lets not forget the usb problems with ryzen 2/3 and the memory compatibility woes of ryzen’s past and some say: present. Ryzen is good but its not “clean”.
In GPU design AMD clearly does the same but executes worse then nvidia. 9070 cant even match its own predecessor, 7900xtx is again a room heater and is anything but efficient. And lets not talk about what came before. 6xxx series where good enough but troublesome for some and radeon 7 was a complete a shitfest.
Now, with 90 70 AMD once again, for the umpteenth time, promises that the generation after will fix all its woes. That that can compete with Nvidia.
Trouble is, they’ve been saying that for over a decade.
Intel is the one looking at GPU design differently. The only question is: will they continue or axe the division now gelsinger is gone. which would be monunentally stupid but if we can count on 1 thing then its the horrible shortsightness of corporate America. Especially when wall street is involved. And with intel, wall street is heavily involved. Vultures are circling.
amd exists, people.
please put your money where your mouth is please?
Not at the higher end, it doesn’t.
dunno about this generation cause im not in the market for new parts, but amd usually comes within spitting distance at much lower prices.
it makes less and less sense to buy nvidia as time passes, yet people still do.
Well, that’s just not true. I’ve been using AMD exclusively for 10 years now and they haven’t had a proper competitor to NVIDIA’s high end in since then. I’m willing to settle for less performance to avoid a shitty company but some people aren’t. It can’t make “less and less sense” to go with NVIDIA if they’re the only ones making the product you want to buy. More importantly, though: it doesn’t matter. The point is that people wanting performance above a 4080 are screwed because NVIDIA shat the bed with the 5000 series and AMD just doesn’t exist at that price point so the comment I’m replying to makes no sense.
The crushing majority of people are not spending $3000 on a graphics card. Chasing the fastest for the sake of it is something most people are not doing.
All other pricepoints are covered, and slightly better served on average at that by AMD.
Welp. That’s another lie. Until very recently, if you wanted performance over NVIDIA’s 60-tier on AMD, your only options were the Vega 56, 64 or the Radeon VII, which were all trash. It wasn’t until the 6000 series that AMD was able to come close to NVIDIA’s 80-tier and they’ve come out and said they’re not doing that anymore, so we have a grand total of TWO high end Radeon cards. Your assertion that AMD has covered every price point below $3000 is pure fantasy.
you took a specific period where, yes, AMD was struggling.
my assertion is correct because we are not at that time anymore.
Did you miss the part where I pointed out AMD said they were gonna stop trying with high end? We were barely out of it for 2 generations and now we’re right back into it.
Very few people actually need or more make use of the power that nvidia’s high end cards provide
For the people looking to upgrade: always check first the used market in your area. It is quite obvious for now the best thing to do is just try to get 40 series from the drones that must have the 50 series
I have never had a gpu, I want 4k120 so which one should I get?
Not sure if in your area is a thing, but a 4090 second hand at a decent price should do it
Good luck with that they are selling for $1800 used on eBay
Nvidia is just strait up conning people.
lol this reminds me of whatever that card was back in the 2000’s or so, where you could literally make a trace with a pencil to upgrade the version lower to the version higher.
I barely remember this anymore but the downgrade had certain things deactivated. Something like my card had four “pipelines” and the high-end one had eight, so a minor hardware modification could reactivate them. It was risky though, because often imperfections came out of the manufacturing process, and then they would just deactivate the problem areas and turn it into a lower-end version.
After a little while, someone put out drivers that could simulate the modification without physically touching the card. You’d read about softmod and hardmod for the lower-end radeon cards.
I used the softmod and 90% of the time it worked perfectly, but there was definitely an issue where some textures in certain games would have weird artifacting in a checkerboard pattern. If I disabled the softmod the artifacting wouldn’t happen.
Yeah, those were the days when cost control was simply to use the same PCB but with just the traces left out. There were also quite a few cards that used the exact same PCB, traces intact, that you could simple flash the next tier card’s BIOS and get significant performance bumps.
Did a few of those mods myself back in the day, those were fun times.
Ok now how do I turn my 2070s into a 5090? 😅
Get 500 dollars then use AI to generate the other 3/4 of the money and buy a 5090.
Well of you ask Nvidia it’s now just the driver making frames for you.
Ya I’m sad to see and exit. Maybe in a year or two I’ll get that sapphire 7900 xtx or whatever it is.
Liquid nitrogen cooling
There were several GPUs and CPUs where that was true
Or you know buy an AMD card and quit giving your money to the objectively worse company.
Just like I rode my 1080ti for a long time it looks like I’ll be running my 3080 for awhile lol.
I hope in a few years when I’m actually ready to upgrade that the GPU market isn’t so dire… All signs are pointing to no unfortunately.
I’m still riding my 1080ti…
980ti here, playing Cyberpunk 2077 at sufficiently high settings without issues (if you call ~30fps 1440p with no path tracing “without issues”, that is).
1080ti has had the longest useful lifespan of any GPU ever.
Im still running mine but Im likely to buy a 5090 very soon as Im making the leap to 4k gaming and vr from 2k.
The 7900 XTX is looking like a pretty good option for a fraction of the price. I think i might go that direction. 24GB also helps future proof it a bit.
I had a 7900xtx briefly but a fan died and they refunded the card rather than fix the fan.
They haven’t really been available since then due to stock issues.
It definitely seemed like the better option than the 4080.
If you’re still playing at 1080 it’s still a capable card tbh.
I gave mine to a friend who still had a 660 when I upgraded to the 3080 lol.
Oh yeah, it still gets the job done.
Keeping my eyes open for used ones to upgrade with now that the new series is out though. Gives me an excuse to get the 1080 in my server.
Me too
1060 6GB gang here… I will probably get a 3060 or 4060 next time I uppgrade, unless I ditch Nvidia (thinking of moving to Linux).
Just like I rode my 1080ti for a long time
You only skipped a generation. What are you talking about?
I had the 1080ti well after the 3080 release. I Got a great deal and had recent switched to 1440p so I pulled the trigger on a 3080 not long before the 4000 series cards dropped.
Same here.
Only upgraded when my 1080 died, so I snagged a 3080 for an OK price. Not buying a new card untill this one dies. Nvidia can get bent.
Maybe team red next time….
They tried this with the 4080 12 gb… This time they dug in and did it whole hog with all the 5080s.
Shame amd is not going to be competitive
Wow, it looks like it is really a 5060 and not even a 5070. Nvidia definitely shit the bed on this one.
