• Arthur Besse@lemmy.ml
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    with mandatory male pronouns for users in the documentation.

    (and no politics allowed!)

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    this issue was resolved eventually by another dev; afaik the lead dev stopped commenting on it after he closed a PR and said people who wanted to remove the docs’ implied assumption of users’ maleness were “advertising personal politics”.

    edit: ok, i went and checked, here are the details:

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    Not only C++ but also Swift, which just feels strange

    Why build a new browser in C++ when safer and more modern languages are available?

    Ladybird started as a component of the SerenityOS hobby project, which only allows C++. The choice of language was not so much a technical decision, but more one of personal convenience. Andreas was most comfortable with C++ when creating SerenityOS, and now we have almost half a million lines of modern C++ to maintain.

    However, now that Ladybird has forked and become its own independent project, all constraints previously imposed by SerenityOS are no longer in effect.

    We have evaluated a number of alternatives, and will begin incremental adoption of Swift as a successor language, once Swift version 6 is released.

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    Hey it could be worse. It could be the completely and utterly worthless MIT license.

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    I’m never going to be one to dog on something before I try it. If it’s good and can offer the same or better experience as Firefox then sign me up. The biggest sticking point for me, though, is potentially losing Firefox’s massive add-in library. I really like my uBlock Origin and Restore YouTube Dislike and my VPN extension and Metamask and all the other crap I’ve got there.

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    Let’s see how ladybird writes docs in the future. Will they assume the user is a man and shut down any corrections for being political?

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    That’s not controlled by Google…

    It is also important to note that the license is still foss and GPL compatible. In the future they could made it GPL.

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    I’m OOTL. Are these actual issues people have with the project?

    C++ might not be as memory-safe as Rust, but let’s not pretend a Rust code base wouldn’t be riddled with raw pointers.

    BSD tells me the team probably wants Ladybird to become not just a standalone browser but also a new competing base for others to build a browser on top of – a Chromium competitor. Even though BSD wouldn’t force downstream projects to contribute back upstream, they probably would, since that’s far less resource-intensive than maintaining a fork. (Source: me, who works on proprietary software, can’t use GPL stuff, but contributes back to my open-source dependencies.)

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      well, its possible to check if a rust equivalent would be riddled with raw pointers: just check the Servo code base.

      personally I think its a good thing to have another browser implementation, regardless of specific choices they make about language or license

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      BSD tells me the team probably wants Ladybird to become not just a standalone browser but also a new competing base for others to build a browser on top of

      skeletor facts until-we-meet-again meme format, saying that every major web browser uses a rendering engine with a copyleft license

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        Don’t have time to factcheck so going to take your word for it. Interesting bit of knowledge! Honestly wouldn’t have thought that. How else are Chrome, Edge, Brave, Arc, Vivaldi and co getting away with building proprietary layers on top of a copyleft dependency?

        I’m no legal expert. All I know is that when I’m picking dependencies at work, if it’s copyleft, I leave it on the table. I love the spirit of GPL, but I don’t love the idea of failing an audit by potential investors because of avoidable liabilities.

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          The three currently-maintained engines which (at their feature intersection) effectively define what “the web” is today are Mozilla’s Gecko, Apple’s WebKit, and Google’s Blink.

          The latter two are both descended from KHTML, which came from the Konquerer browser which was first released as part of KDE 2.0 in 2000, and thus both are LGPL licensed.

          After having their own proprietary engine for over two decades, Microsoft stopped developing it and switched to Google’s fork of Apple’s fork of KDE’s free software web engine.

          Probably Windows will replace its kernel with Linux eventually too, for better or worse :)

          How else are Chrome, Edge, Brave, Arc, Vivaldi and co getting away with building proprietary layers on top of a copyleft dependency?

          They’re allowed to because the LGPL (unlike the normal GPL) is a weak copyleft license.

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            Thanks for teaching me something new!

            So Chromium is based on Blink, which is LGPL – a less viral GPL. Hence, it can serve as a dependency in closed-source software.

            As to the shared heritage of these well-established projects – I don’t know how else to interpret it other than a testament to the complexity of building a decent browser engine.

            Btw, quick shout out to Orion, a rare WebKit browser by the makers of Kagi that’s apparently coming to Linux as well. I’m a monthly supporter. Even though I still mostly use Vivaldi, it’s been coming along really nicely. Proprietary software but idc. I appreciate their unspoken mission statement: pay or be the product. (No-one should be a product, obviously, but that’s capitalism.)

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      Is he the one constantly spewing hateful shit in the Issues on GitHub whenever people ask him to not use only “he” and “him” in the docs?

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        Constantly? Or once?

        And was the “hateful shit” a single request to keep politics out of the project and stay technical?

        And was the request to be more gender neutral granted?

        I mean, I have not drilled into it. But I keep reading these complaints on Lemmy and the only link I have seen features a single response from him. It feels like a lot of manufactured controversy.

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    I’m downloading this and contributing to prove the haters wrong. Y’all are gonna regret not being able to say “I toad a so” like me.

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    Is it that difficult to implement a CopyLeft licence ? Well we do have Servo (A modular browser engine) in development & SeaMonkey is a thing too (Which is an entire internet-application suite)

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        What happened to the logo. I swear like 2 years ago it was a picture of an actual ladybird

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          Accelerated Firefox timeline.

          That used to have a picture of an actual Phoenix and then a red panda before it got streamlined.

          If ladybird keep going at this rate, everyone will be trying to cancel them by the middle of next week

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            The Firefox browser logo still has the red panda, you’re thinking of the Firefox family logo, for stuff like Firefox send and their VPN. The browser never got rid of the red panda since it was added.