• Alteon@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    They did try to win. They just didn’t try to win the way YOU wanted them to. Strategically speaking, going for centrists was the right move, even if you were a progressive candidate. They assumed that they already had the left in the bag, and we’re trying to target independent and centrist votes. Nobody would have thought that the left would just…let Trump win because of some bullshit purity politics. But hey, now that the left has let a fascist into power, we won’t have to worry about voting anymore. Super smart power move progressives. A+. You played yourselves.

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      2 days ago

      So, since they did not in fact “have the left in the bag,” “going for centrists” was not, in fact, “strategically speaking the right move.” Even by your own dumbass reasoning you’re wrong.

      This excuse is rolled out every time your favorite “centrists” eat shit, which is most of the time. The underlying logic that moving right is the way to win is above critique, no matter how many times it’s tried and failed. The Democratic party and their candidates and campaigns are all of course above critique, they can never fail, they can only be failed. You can only ever punch down and tell voters to change their behavior to accommodate the candidate’s positions, and never tell the candidate they should accommodate their constituents. The whole concept of democracy is meaningless at that point, just a popularity contest for which face will do the same awful shit, a game for rich sociopaths to fight over prestige and position, rather than a way for common people to have any sort of influence whatsoever over policy.

      The left warned them loudly and clearly and they ignored us, as they always do. If course, we weren’t the entire reason they lost, although I wish we were, because if we have the power and will to deny them wins, then they have no choice but to give into our demands or fade into irrelevance. Exercising this power is the only possible way to make them listen, or, if they won’t listen, it’s conveniently also the way to go about creating a new party that will.

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        1 day ago

        27% of the US voting base is Democrat. 43% is centrist.

        Do you lean hard to progressive politics and abandon independents or do you try and capture centrists and hope that your voting base understands that the opponent is a literal fascist?

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            1 day ago

            Didn’t really answer the question…but okay.

            Hindsight is 20/20.

            If we run a full progressive candidate we will also for sure lose. But at least we’ll all feel warm and fuzzy inside that we picked a wonderful candidate. It’s a knife edge, if we want to only pander to our base, we will for sure lose support of many centrists.

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              1 day ago

              You were told this before the election, repeatedly. You can invoke hindsight

              If we run a full progressive candidate we will also for sure lose.

              The last time the Democrats tried, they won a super majority