• JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee
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    9 days ago

    Maybe a god’s existence is a core belief for some people, but it shouldn’t be. There shouldn’t be anything you believe without a logical reason to.

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      9 days ago

      “Why is there something rather than nothing?” is a valid question - and the idea that something created it isn’t entirely unthinkable. The point is that you can’t prove or disprove it. Not believing in God is just as much a foundational belief as believing in one. Much of what you think about the world is built on these core beliefs - the kind that, if proven wrong, would effectively collapse your entire worldview.

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          9 days ago

          Personally, I consider it synonymous with “creator,” but even if someone believes in a biblical God, that’s beside the point. While the idea of a biblical God is an entirely unconvincing concept to me, I still give it - or something like it - a greater-than-zero chance of actually existing. I can’t prove otherwise.

          Another example of a belief like that would be belief in the physical world around you. You could be dreaming - or in a simulation.

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            9 days ago

            So can I clarify that when you’re saying

            Some people take the existence of god as a brute fact

            That you mean

            Some people assume that universe was created by something

            ?

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              Well, that’s not a direct quote from me, but yes - some people assume the universe was created by something. For some, that’s the person running the simulation; for others, it’s the biblical God as described in the Bible, or atleast their interpretation of it.

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                9 days ago

                So if I’m understanding you correctly it’s not just that people believe the universe was created by something, but they have a specific idea of what that thing is - eg a conscious, powerful, morally good, knowledgeable being

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                    Ok, now I’ve clarified what beliefs you think some people assume without evidence, I would still say that believing those things isn’t right. You should still have a good reason for believing what you believe, and taking the existence of a conscious creator as given is invalid.