The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.
The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.
The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.
The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
Just when I feel like dystopian news can’t really disturb me anymore…
Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all…
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:
A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target’s family, if not everyone in the apartment building.
Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.
Murdered. Not killed, murdered.
Both technically true, but the way they write killed suggests it wasn’t murder in cold blood, an act of war against another country to bully and control them.
Murder.
I think assassinated is the appropriate term here as it’s politically motivated.
the word “kill” is typically used in regards to warfare, not murder, so I’m not sure why you would say in this instance that it was written as though it wasn’t an act of war.
10 assassinations of relatively innocent people simultaneously. Straight out of Walter white’s playbook when he went full villain.
They aren’t innocent, they are knowingly creating a devastating weapon of mass destruction for a regime who has declared that they intend to use it. While I don’t support this sort of unprovoked attack, I can’t get too worked up over the demise of literally mad scientists.
I generally don’t believe Iran was on its way to building nuclear weapons, only nuclear energy. But, if we were to entertain for a moment the notion that they were, this is all pretty badass no?
But, since it’s not the case this whole thing is frightening. Israel is a terrorist state and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.
Jesus they killed everyone in the apartment complex including their kids how is this not a war crime?!?
Under the rules of war, no. The rules of war does not consider civilians casualties a crime if they happen while targeting military or military support, like weapons manufacturing.
If it were, then you could just fire missiles at your enemies from the tops of apartment buildings and they couldn’t do anything about it. Yeah Hamas did do that and did make claims of war crimes whenever they got hit, but not actually a war crime. Because if it were it would encourage every military in the world to use human shields and every war becomes as horrible as the war in Gaza.
What did we say about based takes on Lemmy?
From my reading of the article, that was a hypothetical. Not to say it hasn’t happened multiple times but I’m pretty sure that “may” was doing some heavy lifting.
Where did it say that? Are you creating outrage just for the sake of outrage? What’s the benefit?
Let me fix the headline - Israel commits more state sponsored terrorist attacks in neighbouring countries.
The only difference between Israel and a terrorist organization is PR and budget.
Narnia? What an odd name. What did they kill them with, a lion or a wardrobe?
The Lyin’ Bitch and the War Globe.
I think the name schemes were themed around fantasy fiction because that is what the AI produces and therefor its outputs need to be vetted properly.
Commentary:
You’re linking to the Times of Israel. Since the news outlet operates in Israel, it is subject to censorship by the IDF, and they have chosen to use their power to censor the article and omit weapon types.
If you want information about assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists, get their list from Wikipedia and google each of their names, looking for descriptions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassinations_of_Iranian_nuclear_scientists
My guess: guided missile or drone strikes. All the assassinations happened at a time of Israeli air strikes over Iran. Whatever weapon was used, was deployed from airplanes. Given the high profile of the targets, Israeli intelligence agencies did their job this time (in Gaza, they seem to be feeding their troops low quality AI slop).
The weapon: 💣
I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It’s probably a lot more than 0.
or allowing israeli settlers to forcibly take palestinian homes, i saw all those videos onr eddit, where they were rushing tino areas to sieze homes.
Proof?
I don’t think there’s proof yet, but Isreal has shown zero qualms about killing innocent civilians.
They simply define who is innocent or a civilian. Or human. It’s quite clever.
The pager attack was pretty targeted. Very low percentage of civilians killed (unlike the percentages of Hezbollah attacks on Israel).
Just FYI, that attack injured more than 100 people per person targeted and led to 10 people per person targeted to lose their eyes. That seems very untargeted to me.
How is that even remotely possible? The users here will believe absolutely anything.
Explosives famously only harm the intended target and not anyone else around them, don’tcha know?
Not trying to be that guy I swear, have you got a source? That number seems pretty high, even for Israel.
I’ve seen attacks where a hundred people were either killed or injured, they call that a car bomb. I.E, you need a vehicle to carry that much explosive.
Utter nonsense that a pager did that.
Going by this very targeted attack video, I find those numbers difficult to believe.
There just isn’t much explosive you can secretly pack into a pager. The strategy relied on body proximity.
The innocents in question are human shields being used by Hamas to protect their objectives. The suffering of those humans and children should have resulted in a massive operation to dismantle Hamas’ financial teeth. Instead hamas leaders still take all humanitarian aid and repurpose them against Israel. Qatar and Israel are the real perpetrators of this violence.
One of the target’s two children died in the pager attacks. Civilian casualties & injuries are not always human shields. In the case of pager attacks for instance none actually was since the attack was unexpected.
No, the innocents in this case would be anyone who lived with or near the target, so their family and neighbors. It’s not like they sent in snipers to take out the one target, they sent bombs, and bombs have collateral damage.
I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
You have been playing too much rainbow six. There are no good guys in the halls of power looking after us.
There are only the rich fucks over here and the rich fucks over there pulling the levers of power.
There’s a rules-based international order. We make the rules, and guess who gives the orders.
There is no “international authority”. It’s all big stick politics out there. It’s like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The “punishments” when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.
Think about your boss shorting you $100. The “legal” process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.
Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you’re cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.
It’s even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That’s not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.
The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It’s a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.
It’s like that saying goes: “The law is the same for everyone, neither the king nor the beggar may sleep under a bridge.”
That’s BS. The king would never need to sleep under a bridge and if he chose to the police would be there to kick out the homeless people and make sure the king is safe for the night.
That’s the point of the saying. The law can be crafted to treat everyone equally, while only benefitting the king.
Edit: It’s why the billionaire media is so angry at the concept of “equity” and “wokeness”. Both terms help us beggars discuss our situation, and both might threaten the king’s throne, if we realize how simply the laws could be adjusted for what we want from them, rather than for what the king wants.
You mean like when Gerald Bull was killed? Surely an accident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
Which is why I am sitting in disbelief that Iran could be so monumentally stupid.
This isn’t how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.
The alternative is “drop bombs”.
Rounding up leaders and putting them on trial seems like a more civilized international approach than engaging in the same bloodthirsty, explosive, surprise-murder that is literally the whole problem here.
You don’t have the alternative to go into other people’s country and round up people because people will absolutely shoot any such folks then drop bomb’s on your cities and forces. It’s not my fault you are confused about what the options are.
Trying to give Iran nukes is pretty close to accompliss to mass murder. Iran is a terrorist state.
Anyone should reasonably be trying to negotiate to avoid loss of life but at the end of the day killing them may be the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the would be target.
Isreal is a terrorist state, the US is a terrorist state. Assasinating people or blowing them up on their way to work is terror. Blowing up pagers in homes while a child is bring it to daddy is terrorism.
Terrorism is internationally recognized as when a group or organization unaffiliated with a recognized government uses violence to achieve a political goal. “Terrorist state” is a contradiction in terms.
Netanyahu is leading a genocide and starting wars, all to avoid the regular democratic and legal process of Israel. Why are you carrying water for him?
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They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.
Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!
As usual this is teenage boy logic. They are posing with their guns as recruitment propaganda. No it’s a super secret magic cool gun from god you haven’t even heard of it because it’s so futuristic and we’re cool so not at all evil, right
How can people be so fucking stupid as to keep their key personnel vulnerable like that?
There are very few habitable places in the world not susceptible to airstrikes. The bombs dropped on nuclear facilities last night are claimed to be able to penetrate 60 meters of earth before exploding.
I mean it hadn’t happened before so it is understandable
Hey don’t worry about Mossad and the USA, just close your curtains tonight in the house you’ve lived in for 40 years. You’ll be fine.
I mean, if I was a key part of the nuclear program of the US, and there was another country specifically targeting the US’s nuclear program, I would assume myself to be a target.
Sure, but you can’t take unilateral security steps, because, well, you know, YOU ARE PART OF A NUCLEAR PROGRAM
You need to submit to the security policies already in place
At most, you can give suggestions, etc, but the final word is with the person in charge of security. That’s probably the deal you signed on for.
And can’t complain, that’s why you signed the NDA, voluntarily of course
How can people be so fucking stupid as to believe a pissrahelli source.
They lie when they open their mouthIncompetence is the hallmark of the mullahs’ regime
Then how are they a threat?
Donald Trump is an incompetent idiot. Doesn’t mean he’s not a threat to anyone.
He’s perfectly competent, just not for you.
I don’t know how much of a threat they are, but incompetence and ability to harm are two different things
- what a stupid fucking name
- why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
- why does no one ask question 2
- Why is it ok for them to assassinate civilians?
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Why not?
Daily on Lemmy there are thousands of calls to murder X or Y person who doesn’t agree with collectivist ideology.
Why would it be different for them?
Are they in the room with us right now?
Sure, just check the modlog, there is thousands of murder calls and violent action calls erased everyday. That’s the ones that get reported.
I feel comfortable saying no one here is surprised in the slightest by the level of violent discourse shared in here on Lemmy
Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?
Because once you have them, who’s going to try to take them away?
In 1994, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.
A huge mistake, apparently
Yeah, seems like the lesson is build nukes at all costs, as it’s the only safeguard against attack.
Also see Libya’s nuclear program.
yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn’t think so.
should?
Wait what
yes. the fact that Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons and Israel and the US still went after then is proof that they should have had nuclear weapons. because guess what would happen if they did. Israel would have stayed the fuck away.
Clearly not working, Israel and the us have them nukes and that’s not stopping Iran and Palestine from retaliation
Or do you see them staying the fuck away?
Because I certainly don’t
lol what. yeah the parties that don’t have the nukes do retaliate when the parties with the nukes are the aggressors. Iran didn’t start a war. Palestine isn’t even involved in a war that’s just genocide.
You are clearly seeing having nukes has no effect on retaliation, so why would you insist on it?
Iran is a terrorist state run by lunatics. Them and Israel having them is even worse than Israel having them.
weird how Israel is the one that keeps invading other countries, not to mention terrorizing palestine for its entire existence.
USA is at the core of the Western-Imperialist hedgemony & Israel, Japan & Pakistan gets to have them because they are Pro-Western imperialism
Japan doesn’t have nukes though. They don’t even allow nukes in their territory. They could make them if they wanted to, they have all the necessary industry to make them, but they don’t actually have any.
There’s word of sharing nukes with the US, thanks to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and threatening to nuke any nation that tries to help them, but I’m not sure that’s actually gone ahead.
See Budapest Memorandum
Because you don’t wanna be an antisemite, do you? /s
Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?
