I had a goth friend who would always get laid without much trouble. At some point he got a normal job and had to “become a normie”, and I learned that it wasn’t because he was a goth, it was because he was a complete asshole with women, and some women, for some reason, can’t resist assholes.
Being an asshole implies confidence.
Women like confidence.
Inexperience and young girls mistake being a dick with confidence
Also, young people often are bad at determining how impressive someone is so they go off the social cues of just believing that they’re acting genuinely in line with their status. This means someone moderately attractive treating 21 year olds like they’re just barely worth their time can often get anything from sex to unpaid overtime if they sell it well and are indiscriminately fishing.
Most people grow out of it, but some don’t. Then there’s also that the pool isn’t a representative sample of the population. The mature and discriminate are easy to miss (they filter heavily), more likely to leave low investment pools like tinder because the effort/value proposition is bad, and when they leave because of relationships will take longer to return to the pool. It’s not that all the good ones are taken, its that most of the bad ones are looking.
Certain women like asshole confidence. Typically the type to write “I’m a bitch, deal with it” in their bios
I’ve known many women who were very nice and intelligent, who dated assholes. Usually they end the relationship thinking “ugh, why did I do that? That guy was such an asshole.”
They do this because women are human, and do the very human thing of making mistakes and regretting them.
sometimes you dont realise theyre an asshole until youre already a year plus deep
Yeah, new relationship energy will fucking get you sometimes
yeah im still feeling the repercussions of the one i went through 5 years after it ended
They do this because [even nice and intelligent] women are
humanhorny, and do the veryhumanhorny thing of making mistakes and regretting them.Bad/terrible people can be hot. In fact, often when people are hot they feel more free to be their natural asshole selves because they can get away with it more. This applies to both men and women in all directions.
In fact, some people want their partner to be mean to them, its more often hetero women who like that. If a guy can be mean and get away with it, that implies they’re hot shit, extremely confident, rich, and/or powerful. Those are attractive features in a guy.
There are also hetero men who want women to be mean to them, especially in the bedroom.
I can find no fault with anything you just said. Except maybe that having a thing for being abused spans all genders and sexual identities.
Damn I need to power off. I’m like how does anyone write in their BIOS? I’m pretty sure it’s just settings. 😅
Aren’t all operating systems bi(nary)?
/s don’t @me about ternary computers
Edit: actually do @me about ternary computers, I looked them up and they’re cool as shit
LOL
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implies confidence.
nope. it implies a craven amount of insecurity.
it says something though that so many people assume this, it’s certainly not just you.
Whatever. It gives off the impression of confidence. We’re trying to explain observed phenomena here, not cast moral judgements.
In my case, you’re wrong, the guy is like a tank, insecurity is not the case. I see some people trying to “dig deeper”:
- “maybe the women have insecurities, so it is them who are to blame”
- “maybe the asshole is not an asshole, he just has a childhood trauma”
No, he is a confident asshole, and his “charm” works one some women (and not each of them falls into made-up categories). People look for patterns too much. “I’m a red-piller” - lol, that’s a first.
Note, I’m not protecting the guy, but he is not a comic-book villain with an origin story. He just happens to be successful in finding one-night stands because of a personal trait.
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the guy is like a tank
a lot of people who over-invest on physical attributes have serious insecurities.
I hold to my premise. it in no way discredits him being an asshole in his coping with these issues.
Not strong like a tank, I meant by attitude. Ok, you invent whatever person you want in your head.
When you say things like “some women can’t resist assholes” it sounds like red pill rhetoric. A better way to say it might be like “some assholes prey on women’s insecurities”. Keep the focus on the person who is the problem, not the victims.
When you say things like “some assholes prey on women’s insecurities” it’s incredibly condescending, especially when you consider that women can also be assholes.
Like begets like. I’ve known too many couples where both of the people in the relationship are trash.
A better way to say it might be like “some assholes prey on women’s insecurities”. Keep the focus on the person who is the problem, not the victims.
idk I think that’s needlessly condescending to women, not all of them dating assholes are victims, some just like assholes because they like asshole behavior because they’re also an asshole.
This also takes away agency from people. In fact, I am sure that there would be a way to diagnose every single relationship ever as a form of abuse in which someone takes advantage of someone else’s something.
Adults are responsible for their choices, and particularly in the case of “assholes”, that is often associated with being assertive, dismissive and some people just like that kind of “I am the main character” features. Maybe there are even some deep rooted evolutionary reasons for that, I don’t know. Anyway, painting anything as victim-oppressor dichotomy IMHO is nonsense.
I keep the focus where I want, that doesn’t change the asshole-victim situation, and I won’t save anyone if I change the wording.
Obviously you can do what you want, you have free will.
That’s just a loop like how people ask which came first… hen or egg
Of course girl with a goth profile picture and spiders in her name thinks goth style is hot.
In the meanwhile my bald head and nike sweatpants attract eastern european girls like a lamp with moths. You catch what you fish for.Imagine if you wore a full track suit
That’s only for ceremonies
Try to complete your Gopnik style with a few items more.
You’d become unstoppable if you started walking while slav squatting.
Prince will steal your girl, then steal her clothes, then steal someone else’s girl in those clothes
So, Ricky Nightshade?
The problem is most average looking men, when bedecked in goth shit, look like Bluey got run over by a Spencer’s truck.
The dude in everyone’s imagination wearing black makeup and jewelry looks like a strung-out rockstar with don’t-give-a-fuck vibes who lives for adventure and wild nights. The vast majority of ACTUAL men have the body-shape of a rectangle and have to spend most of every day waiting in lines, attending Zoom calls, explaining to customers why their wifi doesn’t work (Reset the router Ethel, no that’s not a router, you’re holding an egg steamer.)
We gotta abandon the idea that people have “looks” at all times. Lets repopularize costume parties so guys get a chance to try to dress-up without it being some kind of shocking change to their entire persona. I had a stiff, straight-edge boss who attended a Halloween party and went goth. Completely unrecognizable, he was a legend.
I’m trying to get back to rectangle, I passed on to deflated beachball…
Back when I was a young, gay goth, one of my closest friends talked me into going out swapping wardrobes. He was(and still is) very handsome, but he is one of those preppy gay guys.
I hate the fact that our Polaroids of that night got lost. It was such fun, and although I didn’t recognize myself in the mirror, it felt amazing, being a different version of myself for a night. And he felt so free, not having to worry about his hair and looks for the night, wearing comfortable, scuffed to hell boots, instead of his traditional suede shoes.
Lets repopularize costume parties so guys get a chance to try to dress-up
Yeah but isn’t that what women do when “going out”? Makup and clothes that create a different look and style?. Maybe call it “persona”, like “my social persona is male harajuku” (lol)
Yeah but isn’t that what women do when “going out”?
Yah but it still doesn’t give men in particular the pass to experiment, to try new identities or personal expressions. I may be mistaken, but I think this was the origin of the “fancy dress party” before Halloween co-opted the idea and made it so trying out a new a “fancy outfit” is now dressing up in cheap plastic masks of stereotypes.
Yeah, you can’t wear the same thing every single day unless it blends in with everybody else.
YES.
Jeffrey! This better not awaken anything in me.
This depends on the guy. Some can pull it off, others can’t. I’m one of those who can’t. If I put on make up, I wouldn’t look goth, I would look like a serial killer lol
It’s not so much about looking “goth” but learning how to augment whatever natural attractiveness you’ve got and demonstrating a level of self-assuredness and self-awareness. Knowing what works for you is part of that.
“Goth” just happens to be a very bold and somewhat easier style to look decent. A more “nude” look is, counterintuitively, pretty difficult but there’s almost no masculine individuals who wouldn’t benefit from it.
That’s very well put.
Does anyone have resources they’d like to share to that end? For absolute beginners for very subtle men’s makeup.I have nothing “for men” specifically but there’s a million and a half tutorials on how to use primer, concealer and foundation. So long as you don’t start doing any contouring it should all be pretty gender agnostic.
Way to share your kink, sis. Mines biting people with brains. Everyone’s unique.
kinky…
It’s the only kink I have. Nikki Sixx is clearly not a great person, but put him in some high heels and eye blacking, and I’ll drop trou.
I love it. Metalheads get me with their long hair at times.
I’m a sucker for Nike outfits
I DO COCAINE!
Guys: I want a goth girl with big boobs
Also guys: ew goth. GAY!
Opposites often attract wildly.
A lot of really “standard” guys who dress in polos and jeans will look at a girl in a black leather schoolgirl outfit and see mystery, sexual freedom, experimentation, and all the dangers that mother warned you about. It represents an escape from social chains and it’s not just a sexual kink, but it can really feel nice to imagine having someone who challenges your preconceived notions or gets you “out of your shell” because a lot of men have no idea how to do that and fantasize about meeting someone who drags them by the arm through life to get them to enjoy things they’d be afraid to try on their own.
Speaking as a man who’s partner has filled this role for many, many years.
Do you have any idea how much pussy you can get wearing this shit?
I’d say an average of two divorced house wives, one assistant school teacher, one confused undergrad and half a random barrista per year.
Which half of the barista do you get
Just the ass
Well, that’s not exactly nothing, though it may not be the something you want.
Killin it
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McMurray’s a piece of shit
My life is a series of unintentional Letterkenny references
I should probably watch it at this point
Pitter patter!
Every single McMurray is a hawtie. That one scene with him in his speedo got me swooning.
Where’s my pants preacher?
Eyes on your own work there super chief.
Nah, but the Harley biker is certainly a gay look
thank rob halford for bringing that look to the masses
Ah yes, the leather daddy BDSM iconic gay “look” that these totally hetero men who go on long trips together to scenic areas without women, and with vibrations the whole way to excite the twig and berries, and a nice massage to relax the rear end.
Bigger stretch than professional wrestling, but not much.
God fearing, homosexual hating trailer park kids don’t realize that watching two oiled up men in spandex is… well, pretty fucking gay. Not meant to be disparaging, I just mean the only things missing are penetration and a money shot.
the money shot is when they get color aka bleed. then it gets exciting
Metal is my religion,
And Judas is my Priest.
I don’t know where I heard it but I think the sound of a Harley V-twin engine sounds a lot like a throaty man voice shouting
BROTHER BROTHER BROTHER BROTHER LOOK HOW GAY I’M NOT BROTHER BROTHER BROTHER BROTHER
On second thought I think I heard it from a canadian redneck madman on youtube. ZipTies&BiasPlies
wasnt that a joke on south park? or did they do a different joke making fun of the same thing?
Very similar joke for sure, maybe I combined the two in my head
It’s not gay, I’m just not goth. Also you can get quite far by not being a twat and knowing when to roll your sleeves up.
I wear black nail polish and skirts and still get zero pussy.
Aww dude. I wear kilts every day. I don’t even own pants. I paint my nails. Rather large stretched lobes and septum piercings. When it’s colder always knee high socks with crazy designs and moccasins. Usually an unconventional hairstyle brightly colored and big beard. I’m 50. I just truly quit giving a fuck what people think when I had a major illness a while back. I get hit on a lot for an old dude. More than I ever have in my life. It’s given me crazy confidence in my old age. My wife loves it.
I also stopped giving a fuck what people think. It’s kind of nice. I also like being different. I like kilts too, most of the ones I see are designed to be worn at the waist which I don’t really like. Most skirts are too but they’re usually more flexible so I can wear them at the hips. I’m glad you have people who support and encourage you. I think my mom and sister are getting used to my personal style.
I wear kilts at my hips. Fuck convention. Hahaha.
Fuck yeah. I need to go kilt shopping now.
I want one of these so bad. I like being fancy sometimes.
https://kiltmankilts.com/collections/tweed-vest/products/the-gaelic-gentleman-set
That is quite fancy. Fuck yeah man. It would go great with a pocket watch if you like those.
Early 00s were a great time. I rocked those painted nails and eyeliner 🤘 along with the baggy jeans, chains and spikes
Nowadays all I dress in is luminous shorts and anxiety 🤘
What about blue jeans and solid colour tshirts with no logos like a cartoon character
It’s not a bad look, but it also isn’t helping you out. You’ll need to work with your body, facial attractiveness, and personality - which can do a lot. But not improving how you dress (not necessarily as a goth, but in some way that makes you look good and expresses yourself in a way that others understand) will leave a lot on the table.
Well with a beard and a second layer like a jacket I can pull off the “yes chad” look pretty easy even if it is an illusion, personality wise I’m a pretty shy guy that would rather pet a dog at a party than approach anyone but still capable of having proper conversations with random people though I have pulled an irish goodbye during one on one conversations at the end
Condition the beard and play with the dog and it’ll work. At least thats what I did before transitioning
it’s one of the only things I got going for me so of course I try to keep it looking nice and always get it taking care of when I get a nice hair cut the only other thing is if I happen to find woman into fat butts though I’d hope it was only for show
May I preach the good word of bicycles? Big butts are great but you can make it not only muscular but also giant /hj
But yeah I only mention conditioner out of sympathy for my hetero sisters. Back in my beardy days it was a novelty where I was to condition it, which meant I had women asking to play with my beard because of how soft it was and complaining that their boyfriends’ were uncomfortable to touch.
It’s so close to your hair it’s hard to imagine it’s uncommon
Never thought about it affecting my butt but biking is probably the only reason I have any visable muscle, can’t say I want a bigger butt but I’m not about to turn down an advantage
Oh and just so the info is out there a metal lice comb works great to soften a beard if you can’t was right away plus there cand be a lot of other stuff stuck in a beard
I mean, it maybe wasn’t gay, but was definitely a reference to something hellish, depraved, opposed to common morality, weak, like that.
Because back then it clearly meant protest against authority, against hierarchy, against stereotypic masculinity, against war, against evil covered by normalcy.
In some sense it’s an intentional show of vulnerability, that look.
And I’d take that over Kipelov in Russia every day, that moron who doesn’t fucking understand what rock music is.
