If there’s someone prepared to argue in court about why the UK’s Act is a terrible idea, holy crap is it NOT 4chan
I wonder how discovery would go.
“4chan asks Donald Trump for help”
What a weird world.
Indeed, feeling the need to check, I can tell you that we’re not in the onion anymore…
I guess it makes sense that they’re natural allies.
Go 4chan!
Not often I get to say that, but this is one case.
you definitely don’t have to praise the website for paedophiles.
He’s praising the site’s action, not the site itself.
Calling 4chan the most hateful site on the Internet ignores the fact that xitter is a thing.
The kind of hateful rhetoric and grooming are not unique to 4chan, they happen on Facebook, discord, and roblox. 4chan has just been a minimally filtered representation of underground online cultures for decades now meaning it’s still just as much a font of creativity as it is a cesspool of internet refuse.
4chan has been mostly dead as a place of creativity for years. /b/ is mostly creepshots, AI generated porn, and a guy who has been spamming a picture inviting you to eat Andy Sixx’s shit for like 5 years now. /pol/ is basically Stormfront lite.
/lit/ and /mu/ were some of the best parts of 4chan but are shells of their former selves, some of the sfw boards sometimes have things of value but it’s time to move on.
I think people who used to use 4chan.get nostalgic for the rare gems and forget the absolute depraved shit or how much there was, perhaps along with not being able to spot things as well when they used it.
Just because you’re comfortable with racial and homophobic slurs in most posts, doesn’t mean it’s not hateful.
I detest Elon and xitter as much as anyone, but there is zero comparison. If anything, it just shows how far you’ve gone.
I checked one of those site traffic estimators and got 2 to 2.5 mil monthly views for 4chan vs 120 mil for twitter. So if every single 4chan user was a nazi, it would only take about 2% of twitter being nazis to equal that. Seems like there might be more nazis on twitter these days tbh.
Maybe more, but every other post on xitter doesn’t use the n word. You cannot compare just numbers. Actions are key. 4chan is a cesspool.
Are you trying to argue that twitter isn’t a shithole?
No. I’m making it clear equating the 2 ain’t right. It looks like you’re trying to defend and normalise 4chan.
To try and say, “yeah, there is racial slurs, but it’s great for culture” is trying to justify unacceptable views.
To be fully explicit, xitter sucks and you shouldn’t use that either.
To me I don’t see them defending 4chan at all. I see you defending Twitter.
Have you even read the full thread?
“I detest Elon and xitter as much as anyone, but there is zero comparison. If anything, it just shows how far you’ve gone.”
Do you understand what detest means?
Why folk defend a place that is full of racial slurs is beyond me? Unless they’re racist and homophobic, that is.
Can we just block the UK from the Internet. So they can have their own Internet, like China. That will solve a lot of problems.
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But it does effect everyone. Don’t you think the lack complete backlash to the online safety act is emboldening similar ideas in the rest of the world, especially the EU? Yes, we’ve stopped chat control like 2 or 3 times already, but it’s being brought up again now.
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But ideas are cheap, of course every government has thought and dragged ideas about this before. But implementing them is costly, so letting another government go first, working out the kinks, getting case studies for what kind of messaging works, what tech is required, and seeing what the backlash looks like, makes the second go a lot easier and cheaper.
Let’s face it, Starmer’s tongue is shoved so far up Trump’s fettid arsehole, he can taste his mouthwash. Trump only has to tweet about it and that spineless twat will capitulate and make it the government’s most important mission to ensure “international cooperation”, or some BS.
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I hope this encourages more companies/sites to fight back against stupid laws. If most keep complying, it’ll only get worse for them in the future when they make even worse laws.
Pull out all UK servers and ignore uk fines (assuming thats legal wherever u reside… idk how that works) or just pull out of uk.
I hope a country like switzerland or something lets companies host servers there for europe without enforcing dumb laws from uk/european union.
The EU wants to go after encryption. By introducing means to be able to see messages in services before they are encrypted and sent. Law is currently being discussed.
Basically:
“Trust us bro, we will have the means to read your stuff but we promise to never read them or abuse it. Trust us.”
I’m pulled back and forth with this one. On the one hand, 4chan is a shithole that should be taken care of. On the other side, UK laws that try to govern the internet are so overly deranged shit.
“Taken care of”, so how does this kind of perspective differ from the protection law?
Properly dealing with hate crimes is different from controlling the internet more or less in general.
Let the internet be free, but also keep it free from hate.
“Let it be free, but control it to keep this part out.”
That’s literally what you’re experiencing. You get to witness the flaw in the part where you don’t get to pick the entity that decides which content doesn’t belong.
Imagine, instead of “hate”, its "You cant talk about trans people without handing over your ID. Are you ok with that? Cos right now, youre OK with kicking 4chan out, even though that wouldnt get rid of whatever problem you dont like. But at some point, say, Trump. Could get a law going into effect similar or worse than the UK one, only instead of porn, its “Woke”. And he and his cronies get to decide what “woke” is and how to age verify you to be able to access services for gender care.
And the age shit isnt even the worst part. The UK government wants apple and facebook and everyone else with a messaging app, to create a window for the government to scan messages. They say for abuse. Luckily, it cant be done as it would break the current encryption methods used. But that doesnt mean they cant force it later on down the road. And got forbid your girlfriend or wife sends you a naughty text message with “Daddy” at the end. You knock on the door, and pedo label slapped on your citizenship score.
Whenever you want something new to be put into law. Always look to see the worst case that it can be abused, and then ask if you still want it. Scanning messages might protect a few kids, so its worth it right? But the cost is that for the rest of time, no one gets any privacy in their communications. And worse, the government can your private communications to profile you and then sell that data, above or below board. Does it still sound great?
Look at bigger picture. Ignore that it is 4Chan and imagine it is a site that you actually like or care about. That is the point.
The reason they go after 4Chan is because they want to normalise this general type of censorship and hope people are gullible or biased enough that they will or would let obvious authoritarian censorship slide because they know some people dislike the site. It is manipulation and how you push the Overton Window towards general censorship.
The point is that the UK should never do that and the law is bad. Whenever you see shit like this, switch the “thing” in question to something you like and be honest to yourself and think if you would be okay with that.
If they can do it easily to things you dislike, then they can as easily do it to things you like.
The fact that is Labour, or the equivalent of the USA Democrats trying to hinder public speech in other countries via this insane laws is something worth noting. Any side can do this.
Why would an American website pay fines because of the laws of a random country?
If you offer a service in a country you are subject to their laws.
What does that mean? Arent most sites available everywhere by default?
No, you can definitely block entire countries.
oh. So if I publish a website I’m responsible for following other countries/areas laws?
That’s exactly how the EU keeps levying fines on Meta and Xitter. If you make your service available in a country, you have to follow their laws. If you don’t want to do that, then you can’t allow people from that country to use your site. This really isn’t controversial.
No it makes sense. I guess I just thought it would be the other way around.
What’s changing and that has conservatives in fear is that the US is losing control of the internet as other countries begin to enforce their own vision for it. It’s why there is so much anger recently from the Trump admin about taxes and controls on social media.
The internet is open. It is not up to a site to block a country just because. Which is what happened here, and this why their law is dumb and over reaching.
The argument is more like:
“UK citizens, via the open internet could see your site, and we have now decided that we do not like it. We are not going to complain via diplomacy or via your country’s existing Laws or policing agencies, as such, you must pay us £20,000 in fines, per day, for existing because we say so. Despite you having no interests, employees or infrastructure, at all, in our country.”
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I guess this is what it comes down to…
- Do you view allowing any arbitrary IP address to access your site as “offering service” to all countries? Or,
- Do you view having a website as just putting something into cyberspace and it’s the responsibility of countries to control access to it if they don’t want their citizens going there.
Personally, I’m a firm believer that IP addresses aren’t people and that an IP address range doesn’t mean the end user is from that country, so I lean towards point 2.
…buuuuuut I also really don’t like the idea that countries control access to things like that. I’m sort of in a “wish I could have it both ways” thing. Because the more sites that are adamant about taking view number 2 the more countries will be encouraged to censor. And let’s be honest, this is all about control, there are sensible ways to protect children like creating standardized self labels for parental controls to reject and find on those instead, so… It’s hard.
I hate this.
I felt this way back in the late 90s when states started requiring sales tax for online transactions. It felt stupid to me that a transaction that occurs in some other state should have to include taxes for the place where you live.
I don’t really understand how this works. If I’m a company whose entire infrastructure is in the US (for example, I don’t know if 4chan is like that) how can I get in trouble with the UK? I don’t have a legal entity there, I’m not doing any business on their soil whatsoever, how can they enforce their laws against me?
They’re “doing business” there by serving ads to their citizens, that’s the legal basis for suing them. Whether that goes anywhere depends on the laws governing the business and any leverage UK has (say, going after advertising who do business with the company and in the UK).
I think it only works if the country you are in allows it to happen, as in they have an understanding with the UK (in this case) to follow through with legal stuff. If they were in russia (for example), the UK probably couldn’t enforce anything.
Think it is down to the government of your country.
OK so Trump is going to have to choose whether or not to side with fucking 4chan, you know, the site with regular pedophilia threads.
It’s been a long time since I’ve browsed that cesspool, but I remember all the pedos getting banned and going over to the other image boards like 8chan. Been more than a decade though and that was when moot still ran things
They do pedo AI threads.
Gross
Wait I thought 4chan died
4chan is a very stubborn website
The hacker known as 4 Chan is BACK, baby!
Not dead. Just irrelevant.
So nothing’s changed then.
Not so, more’s the pity.
Trump admin: “We literally want the same exact thing.”
The Biden Admin tried and failed in some fronts and got censorship working in others.
Man, either they strike a blow for online censorship or the UK laws do one decent thing and take out 4chan. Hilarious they’re trying to invoke trump tho like, when has that ever worked, he doesnt care about his bootlicking supporters…
It wouldn’t be the first time that he’s done something because Barron says all of his supporters want him to.
Coming back to this thread later, I’m surprised that it’s mostly being negative regarding 4chan.
I’m use to people defending it when it comes up. Even defending it to my face in synchronous spaces online. The dissonance always weirded me out.
It’s good to see.
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I mean, they’re already creating the Ministry of Truth…
