Who the hell keeps buying nvidia? Stop it.
It’s the fucking AI tech bros
Not as many as you’d think. The 5000 series is not great for AI because they have like no VRAM, with respect to their price.
4x3090 or 3060 homelabs are the standard, heh.
Their data centre division is pulling in 41 billion revenue vs 4 billion consumer market.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-q2-profit-soars-59-021402431.html
Yeah. What does that have to do with home setups? No one is putting an H200 or L40 in their homelab.
Does the original title mention home setups?
It mentions desktop GPUs, which are not part of this market cap survey.
Basically I don’t see what the server market has to do with desktop dGPU market share. Why did you bring that up?
Who the fuck buys a consumer GPU for AI?
If you’re not doing it in a home lab, you’ll need more juice than anything a RTX 3000/4000/5000/whatever000 series could have.
Who the fuck buys a consumer GPU for AI?
Plenty. Consumer GPU + CPU offloading is a pretty common way to run MoEs these days, and not everyone will drop $40K just to run Deepseek in CUDA instead of hitting an API or something.
I can (just barely) run GLM-4.5 on a single 3090 desktop.
… Yeah, for yourself.
I’m referring to anyone running an LLM for commercial purposes.
Y’know, 80% of Nvidia’s business?
I’ve kinda lost this thread, but what does that have to do with consumer GPU market share? The servers are a totally separate category.
I guess my original point was agreement: the 5000 series is not great for ‘AI’, not like everyone makes it out to be, to the point where folks who can’t drop $10K for a GPU are picking up older cards instead. But if you look at download stats for these models, there is interest in running stuff locally instead of ChatGPT, just like people are interested in internet free games, or Lemmy instead of Reddit.
The original post is about Nvidia’s domination of discrete GPUs, not consumer GPUs.
So I’m not limiting myself to people running an LLM on their personal desktop.
That’s what I was trying to get across.
And it’s right on point for the original material.
Microsoft.
Microsoft is buying them for AI.
From what I understand, chatGPT is running on azure servers.
The same people buying Intel and Microsoft.
Meanwhile framework’s new AMD offering has nvidia slop in it. Just why. We want AMD. Give us AMD.
AMD doesn’t support CUDA
At the end of the day I think it is this simple. CUDA works and developers use it so users get a tangible benefit.
AMD comes up with a better version of CUDA and you have the disruption needed to compete.
I’m not sure that would even help that much, since tools out there already support CUDA, and even if AMD had a better version it would still require everyone to update apps to support it.
The vast majority of consumers do not watch or read reviews. They walk into a Best Buy or whatever retailer and grab the box that says GeForce that has the biggest number within their budget. LTT even did a breakdown at some point that showed how even their most watched reviews have little to no impact on sales numbers. Nvidia has the mind share. In a lot of people’s minds GeForce = Graphics. And I say all that as someone who is currently on a Radeon 7900XTX. I’d be sad to see AMD and Intel quit the dGPU space, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
I will never get another AMD card after my first one just sucked ass and didn’t ever work right.
I wanted to try a Intel card but I wasn’t even sure if I could find linux drivers for it because they weren’t on the site for download and I couldn’t find anything specifying if their newer cards even worked on linux.
So yeah, Nvidia is the only viable company for me to buy a graphics card from
That kind of comment always feels a bit weird to me; are you basing AMD’s worth as a GPU manufacturer on that one bad experience? It could just as well have been the same on an Nvidia chip, would you be pro-AMD in that case?
On the Intel part, I’m not up to date but historically Intel has been very good about developing drivers for Linux, and most of the time they are actually included in the kernel (hence no download necessary).
That kind of comment always feels a bit weird to me; are you basing AMD’s worth as a GPU manufacturer on that one bad experience?
Absolutely, if a company I am trying for the first time gives me a bad experience, I will not go back. That’s me giving them a chance, and AMD fucked up that chance and I couldn’t even get a refund for like a $200 card. Choosing to try a different option resulted in me wasting time and money, and it pushed back my rig working for half a year until i could afford a working card again which really pissed me off.
I didn’t know that about intel cards, I’ll have to try one for my next upgrade if I can find on their site that they are supported.
What else would a consumer base things on except their own experiences? Not like it’s a rare story either.
I don’t know, real world data maybe? Your one, or 2, or even 10 experiences are very insignificant statistically speaking. And of course it’s not a rare story, people who talk online about a product are most usually people with a bad experience, complaining about it, it kinda introduces a bias that you have to ignore. So you go for things like failure rates, which you can find online.
By the way, it’s almost never actually a fault from AMD or Nvidia, but the actual manufacturer of the card.
Edit: Not that I care about Internet points, but downvoting without a rebuttal is… Not very convincing
A persons actual experience with a product isnt real world data? Fan boys for huge companies are so weird.
Please read my entire comment, I also said your experience as one person is statistically insignificant. As in, you cannot rely on 1 bad experience considering the volume of GPUs sold. Anybody can be unlucky with a purchase and get a defective product, no matter how good the manufacturer is.
Also, please point out where I did any fanboyism. I did not take any side in my comments. Bad faith arguments are so weird.
Sure buddy, we’re all idiots for not liking the product you simp for. Got it.
I do local ai stuff and i get more support with nvidia cuda, and you usually get exclusive gaming features first on nvidia like dlss, rtx, and voice
I wish they shipped with more vram though
AMD seems to be doing fine, Nvidia just doing finer. If this was 10 years ago, it’d be a lot more concerning but now AMD has a healthy home and server CPU business and GPU server business and they’re the standard for handheld PCs. Along with consoles, that’ll keep FSR relevant and their server stuff will keep funding for UDNA. Samsung uses AMD GPUs for their Exynos chips and that sounds like it may make it’s flagship return with the next Galaxy phones. They’re not drowning
Ehh, 5% market share is not fine.
AMD’s server GPU division is not fine, either, so don’t bet on that saving them.
AMD/Intel graphics divisions need R&D money from sales to keep up, and if this keeps up, they’re gonna drop out of dGPUs and stick to integrated graphics (which Intel is already at extremely severe risk of doing).
IMO there’s zero reason to buy an nvidia gpu if there’s a similarly performing amd card because the price will just be better.
„The Market” is not a good measure. Hell, its not even a measure at all. No consumer is able to pull any good info from this article.
Its the equivalent of „How much money has been spent of products by company xy”, completely disregarding if the products sold are even competing with each other, let alone if the production of one company is even trying to sell at that scale
Now regarding the article: they are not differentiating between enterprise and personal grade products. Of course Intel is non existent in Enterprise GPU sales, because they don’t even sell fucking Enterprise GPUs. Same with amd.
This is like comparing a local steel working company with weckerle machines who mostly makes industry Make-up equipment (out of steel) and saying that Weckerle dominates the Market
Or like saying „Gamers Beware: Pre-built PCs are dominating the market”, then showing a study about „ Computing devices”, and showing that the 2 main sources are Enterprise buying bulk and NUCs, both of which have nothing to do with what the article is implying in the first place, since, and say this with me
- Enterprise devices are completely different from consumer devices, both in terms of price and in volume, and if compared directly (in the middle of an economic crisis) of course an Enterprise is going to spend way more money on one category.
I know it’s not indicative of the industry as a whole, but the Steam hardware survey has Nvidia at 75%. So while they’re still selling strong, as others have indicated, I’m not confident they’re getting used for gaming.
Everyone and their manager wants to play with LLMs and and and Intel still don’t have a real alternative to CUDA and so are much less popular for compute applications.
Intel cards are awesome in a homeserver for media transcoding. Super cheap, super capable, power saving compared to other cards with the features. And although Intel has become a shitty company, I’d really like to see more competition on the gpu market
TIL there’s a lot of people who don’t know what a dGPU is in here
Thanks for explaining
I don’t get this.
Well, if this includes laptops, I get that. Just try to find a dGPU laptop with AMD or Arc these days.
…But in desktops, everyone seems to complain about Nvidia pricing, yet no one is touching Battlemage or the 9000 series? Why? For gaming specifically, they seem pretty great in their price brackets.
Maybe prebuilts are overshadowing that too?
We’ve come to a point where PC gaming is so mainstream that the average PC gamer likely doesn’t even know that AMD makes GPUs. They’ll just complain about the prices and then pay for Nvidia directly or indirectly via prebuilts.
I buy this.
And I can’t really blame people for not diving into components and wanting stuff to just… Work.
No one (on average) knows their graphics card off the top of their head.
I’m doing my part. I picked up an Arc B580.
That is concerning
GTX 1080 Ti strong here lol
AMD needs better answers on the HPC software side.
They need dGPUs worth buying for HPC, other than servers that cost more than a house, so devs will actually target them.
Rocking an R9 280 atm 👍
I only upgraded from my 380 this year
Still plenty of fun to be had with new GOG mods, etc. :)
AMD needs to fix their software.
I had an AMD GPU last year for a couple weeks, but their software barely works. The overlay didn’t scale properly on a 4k screen and cut off half the info, and wouldn’t even show up at all most of the time, ‘ReLive’ with instant replay enabled caused a performance hit with stuttering in high FPS games…
Maybe they have it now, but I also couldn’t find a way to enable HDR on older games like Nvidia has.
I think Nvidia has better marketing. I never really hear anything about AMD cards, where I would I instead hear about Nvidia.
Just saw a “leak video” that 9070 is outselling 5070, and so 5070 and 5080 supers are being released very soon.
