• Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    7 days ago

    Gasoline prices are heavily subsidized in the US, the gas price you complain about is cheap compared to other countries.

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      The commodity price for gasoline right now looks to be about 2 USD per gallon. Retail gasoline in the USA is at least a dollar more due to taxes and markup.

      Subsidies may play a role as well, but the taxes in some countries are extreme by American standards. My take on it is that a fuel tax is effectively neutral if it brings in enough revenue to pay for the road system.

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        The fuel tax isn’t enough to cover the damage to the environment and quality of life, though. That’s why taxes are that high in many other places. Same way cigarettes are taxed to help discourage use and to help cover the increased healthcare costs it puts on everyone

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          6 days ago

          Fuel, and other car-related taxes (sometimes based on horsepower or engine displacement) in most countries in Europe were much higher than in the USA long before there was widespread concern about the environmental impact of cars.

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            Which is why I said “environment and quality of life” - they don’t want their cities dominated by cars (making life dangerous for pedestrians) and for cars to become a requirement for living. So taxes are added to discourage (not eliminate) driving and car ownership

            But also, the mess of smog from exhaust and other impacts beyond climate change have been known since the first automobiles. Concerns about the ‘environment’ is more than greenhouse gasses.

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        7 days ago

        Any price lower than that required to compensate for all the negative externalities of both driving and using fossil fuels to do it still counts as subsidized.

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          A failure to set an excise tax on a product or service that offsets its externalities is not a subsidy. A lower tax rate than a competing product is arguably a subsidy.

          I’m not aware of any modern societies that make a credible attempt to adjust the price of all or most goods and services to include their externalities. That sounds like a good idea in theory, but very difficult to implement in practice.

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        5 days ago

        The fuel tax in other countries primarily exists to make people use less fuel in order to save the world from global warming.

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        7 days ago

        What state do you live in that the road system is funded adequately? I never hear someone comment positively about the general state of road conditions.

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          6 days ago

          Florida, with the tourist money and gas taxes all our roads and highways are solid. The great weather year round means they can maintain and build roads all the time non stop.

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          Adequately is a difficult determination.

          Is it adequate if there are state maintained dirt roads? In some states, the state or county chooses not to pave all of their roads.

          Is it adequately funded if they have potholes? Due to weather conditions, some states are notorious for potholes.

          Is it adequately funded if the road gets washed out or carried away by flooding? California gets mudslides that take out sections of roads, other states get sinkholes or hurricanes/tornados destroying their roads

          How long can one of these issues plague a road before we consider them underfunded?

          My opinion is that the US has too many roads. Most roads are maintained by county or municipalities, and are funded through infinite growth model.

          When a developer creates a new subdivision, they pave the roads. Once done, they usually relinquish these roads to the county/city who are responsible for maintaining the roads.

          Typically maintenance is low until they require replacing. The cities and counties don’t save money or plan well for replacing these roads and rely on new tax revenue to fund replacing them.

          It builds a slowly ballooning road maintenance cost that someone will have to pay. I believe someone made a video about this very fact. I don’t have the link handy