• kernelle@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Controversial nazi salute does seem to describe the situation most accurately, it’s just the fact that it’s controversial is bonkers.

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        4 months ago

        It’s controversial like nude art. People aren’t comfortable with their sexuality and are disturbed by nudity.

        In that case, people aren’t comfortable to admit that they are nazis.

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      4 months ago

      Akshhhally a lot of what’s now associated just with Nazis was a typical “worker party” symbols set in 20s.

      Torches - because workers would assemble outside of their work hours, and it would be dark, it’s not your soy modernity with labor protections.

      This particular thing called “Roman salute” - apparently wasn’t too popular outside of Nazis and Italian fascists, but there are archive photos of Communists in Russia in early 20s using that.

      The raised fist symbol - well, everybody used it, and again, Nazis too.

      Hammer and sickle - that one was in symbolic of Dolfuss’ Austria, and it’s not a coincidence, it was there because of socdems.

      OK, all that isn’t necessary. It’s clear what gesture Elon intended. It may not be entirely clear what he meant, I think this is not Nazi endorsement, but rather a “f-ck you” to all parties he dislikes, who also happen to be keen on bringing up Nazis. But that wouldn’t be controversial too, just weird for a grown up man.

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          3 months ago

          Everything I said is true. And I think it’s more interesting for intelligent people to look at the world through others’ eyes, not to see confirmation from their herd.

          Torches are still used by ARF (Armenian Revolutionary Federation) at its big events.

          The wide gesture - I will admit I’m not keeping a file of links for everything, but I have seen such photos of early “pioneers” (like scouts) in USSR and ever Red Army men. I think you won’t have to look for too long. Again, these were all early things.