Nazi salute. Not controversial salute. Nazi salute.
Controversial nazi salute does seem to describe the situation most accurately, it’s just the fact that it’s controversial is bonkers.
It’s controversial like nude art. People aren’t comfortable with their sexuality and are disturbed by nudity.
In that case, people aren’t comfortable to admit that they are nazis.
Akshhhally a lot of what’s now associated just with Nazis was a typical “worker party” symbols set in 20s.
Torches - because workers would assemble outside of their work hours, and it would be dark, it’s not your soy modernity with labor protections.
This particular thing called “Roman salute” - apparently wasn’t too popular outside of Nazis and Italian fascists, but there are archive photos of Communists in Russia in early 20s using that.
The raised fist symbol - well, everybody used it, and again, Nazis too.
Hammer and sickle - that one was in symbolic of Dolfuss’ Austria, and it’s not a coincidence, it was there because of socdems.
OK, all that isn’t necessary. It’s clear what gesture Elon intended. It may not be entirely clear what he meant, I think this is not Nazi endorsement, but rather a “f-ck you” to all parties he dislikes, who also happen to be keen on bringing up Nazis. But that wouldn’t be controversial too, just weird for a grown up man.
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Everything I said is true. And I think it’s more interesting for intelligent people to look at the world through others’ eyes, not to see confirmation from their herd.
Torches are still used by ARF (Armenian Revolutionary Federation) at its big events.
The wide gesture - I will admit I’m not keeping a file of links for everything, but I have seen such photos of early “pioneers” (like scouts) in USSR and ever Red Army men. I think you won’t have to look for too long. Again, these were all early things.
“controversial salute” is certainly one way to phrase a Nazi salute.
I can’t believe we’re downplaying Nazi salutes. If this were in a political satire film 15 years ago it’d be dismissed as being too absurd.
Super pumped for 4 years (good lord please let it only be 4) of chickenshit euphemisms
Oh no, we were promised no more votes would be needed after 4 years. We’ll likely see Don Jr. in a few though after the heart attack…
It’s very disturbing because it’s creeping acceptance by massaging the message over time.
First a billionaire makes the salute
Then you get everyone to debate it
Then everyone associates it less and less to nazism
Then it’s just a gesture billionaires do
Then it’s just a gesture
Then it becomes more common
Then it becomes normal
I mean, it’s Forbes. It’s essentially one of the primary mouthpieces of this new-age Business Plot we’re living through. I’m unsurprised they’re sanewashing this.
Its forbes. A rag I wouldn’t wipe my ass with it.
Playing devil’s advocate here.
I don’t think he meant it as “let’s go round up the Jews age conquer Europe” (or Canada or whatever). He’s very likely on the autism spectrum and likely thought it was funny and just wanted to see how the mass media would react. He acts like a child in so many other contexts (dancing robots at the Tesla event? Seriously?), why not here?
That doesn’t make it okay, and it’s certainly inappropriate given the event, but it also doesn’t make him a Nazi.
Look up his family history. His grandpa was a technocrat and raved about Orania. He’s a product of his upbringing. His Dad ran emerald mines during Apartheid. Racism is taught. He’s a damn nazi.
He’s a product of his upbringing.
Are you a product of your upbringing?
My parents were pretty conservative, I’m religious and my religion leans very conservative, and I grew up in a pretty conservative part of a liberal state (lots of, “those libs are holding us back”). You’d assume I’d be very conservative, no? I was as a kid, but once I moved to a conservative state, I saw how both major parties were full of nonsense and found a home with libertarianism (not the Libertarian Party, they’re an embarrassment). I’m a bit further left on many social issues than most Democrats, and I take a bit from both parties on fiscal issues. Most of my neighbors are conservative, most my coworkers are progressive, I don’t have a bunch of libertarian friends or anything, and I just don’t talk about politics much.
My cousin married a white South African and I have a white South African coworker, and both are quite liberal despite having a similar upbringing as Musk (not rich, but certainly benefitted from apartheid) and growing up in my very red state.
I don’t think anyone is “a product of their upbringing.” If Elon is a Nazi, that’s because of choices he made, not his parents. If we consider the totality of the circumstances, I don’t think Elon making a brief, Nazi-looking salute saying “my heart goes out to you” is the smoking gun people claim it is, I think it’s much more likely that it’s him looking for attention. He knew the mass media was going to make a spectacle of him regardless like they always do, so he decided to give them something to talk about.
If Elon or anyone is going to actually do Nazi stuff and mean it, it’ll be behind closed doors, not on a nationally televised Inauguration Day event.
You’re still a product of your upbringing. I was Conservative, like my whole damn family. I in recent years woke up. I never did hateful acts, but I had the thoughts. Sometimes I wonder if people can see the filth on me, see that I made racist jokes, etc. I’m teaching my child differently. She can go to church or synagogues, or whatever. I’ve told her we’ll go if she wants to. But she also knows how I feel about my days in church, and she remembers the days when she was younger and what she overheard. She respects religion, but hasn’t shown any inclination towards it. (Baptist churches, btw, in a Bible belt area, where people didn’t fight much about desegregation only since extreme minority until the 90s.)
To some extent, sure. My point is that we all make decisions at some point where we become independent of our parents. We may reach similar conclusions, but we are responsible for the ideologies we choose to align ourselves with.
If Musk is a Nazi, it’s because of choices he made more than how he was raised. He bears that responsibility.
“I dont think he meant to shoot anyone he just walked up to a cop and pointed a gun at them, he likely thought it was funny and wanted to see how the cop would react”
That’s… quite a bit more extreme than what I was talking about. On the other hand, people have gotten shot by police for much less (even just verbally standing up for their rights), so maybe you have a point.
Elon isn’t very classy, but I honestly don’t think he’s a Nazi.
My point was you can misguidedly perform and action and it be judged unfavorably and considered a bad idea by the population at large.
LOL “controversial salute”
Looked pretty fucking clear to me.
In general the use of “controversial” in modern English triggers my autistic anxiety.
Elon’s wide gesture was not only not controversial, it was also very expressive.
“Controversial salute” is interesting wording. They’re clearly identifying it as the Nazi salute, but aren’t outright saying it.
I’m surprised Reddit allowed anyone to ban X links since both sites are run by soulless corporate monsters
I’m shocked that liar spez has any morale compass at this point. It is bizarre.
It’s an easy way for him to act like they let the subs run independently without it hurting their core business model.
That sounds a lot like when they did the reddit mural wall right after all this Spez shit started. It gave everyone an opportunity to scribble “fuck Spez” while still using the app and engaging with the site and probably making him even more money… The whole thing is just depressing that’s why I try not to think about reddit anymore lol
I’m sure once the press coverage starts to take hold and their venture capitalist overlords realize what’s going on, they will crack down on the mods hard. Just like they did back in June/July of 2023. Little piggy boy will punish any rebellious mods and then grovel in mortification to his corporate masters.
Why would Reddit care if subs disallowed links that would take their users off platform?
It might upset copresident Elon
Don’t worry, reddit will soon prohibit blocking twitter
Steve is an Elon wannabe, he will just replace those mods and it’ll be business as usual.
The fact that meta is also banned makes me think a huge part of this is just getting people onto Bluesky.
I get Zuckerberg is an asshole, but Instagram is the least toxic platform for me. That’s because Instagram has keyword and subject filtering.
instagram reels is wild man
My Instagram reels are the most tame shit ever. You gotta redo your filters.
If not for this, they’d certainly impose the block with another excuse. They just don’t like Elon.
No, we the people just won’t tolerate nazi filth like you and your ketamine addicted fuhrer.
