LMFAO they can’t even put Luigi’s name in the headline?!
We should make Dec 4th “Celebrate Luigi Day”.
One of the few people standing up for their fellow Americans. A true patriot surrounded by people with an addiction to greed.
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Very fucking well put
I’m not sure that this was written by a human, but honestly, even if it’s the product of AI/ChatGPT, it’s moving, nonetheless. I don’t care if this diatribe was written by a robot, I can’t say that I don’t agree with its message 100%. If AI is gonna take this position, then I’m more than happy to fight alongside the bot army
It would be preferable if we didn’t have to murder CEOs to stop them from destroying our lives but they are sort of forcing our hands here.
It would be nice if they paid attention to the overwhelming pop culture references of the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s that referenced struggle.
The audacity that the most powerful and richest of the dumbs dumbs adopts psy-punk like it isn’t a reference to oligarchs and shitty decisions with power and money tells me he is just shallow asshole that thinks he knows more than those that read them.
Gibson, Orwell, Stephenson, Moore, Palahniuk, Bradbury, and many others wrote fantasies that encapsulated these notions and yet it falls on deaf ears. They are indeed forcing our hands.
They see these villains and go “damn they look cool” and never think “maybe he’s an asshole” with some self reflection.
SAY HIS NAME
Luigi Mangione, actual sexiest man alive.
The article says that some man said people “in dark corners” herald him as a hero. I guess the entirety of America is in dark corners? lol. clown man.
I guess the entirety of America is in dark corners?
- Certainly looks like it’s going in that direction…
- I assume you mean “the entirety of the USA”?
He’s got this years hottest valentines card design.
Headline doesn’t want to say someone’s name…
Player 2 is my GOAT.
My hero
I wish Luigi nothing but the best.
I think murder (first degree, premeditated, cold-blooded) is worse than that
Someone has died in both cases. So why?
And I thank you Luigi for your service.
IT’s the Luigi, overpowered as can be
More celebration of murder as somehow “uplifting”. America really is sinking.
PS: Brigading just makes you all look insecure while increasing even more the hostility level of this supposedly “uplifting” community. I personally don’t care if a thousand of you downvote my comment. I’m secure in my conviction that murder is always bad. But others, maybe with more ambivalent takes, are gonna be put off by your mob mentality. And then you’ll have nothing but others in your mob to tell you how right you are and maybe lessen any doubts or insecurity you have. Is that really what you want from a community? I must admit I don’t get it.
There is something most people go through at some point, it’s the realization that violence is sometimes necessary for the advancement of justice. There would have been no civil rights movements in the US without violence. There would have been no resistance against nazis without violence. There would have been no french revolution without violence. The very roughly “equal chances” society you enjoy today is the result of violence.
Simply put, when the system is dysfunctional and the safeguards originally put in place have been compromised/corrupted, you can either sit there and watch it dispense its injustice, or you can use violence. It’s whatever works. Luigi allegedly did something very, very courageous and selfless, and he’s owed our collective respect. I hope you get around to that.
A passably substantive argument! Though you couldn’t resist a patronizing note of condescension right at the end. To me that suggests insecurity and so undermines your point.
I do know history, more or less (in fact I have a degree in it). And I take different lessons from it than you. The French revolution had two phases, non-violent and violent. Almost all of the useful reforms happened in the first phase. The mass spilling of blood was unnecessary, caused by impatient mobs who just could not wait for those reforms to bear fruit, and who had other unproductive agendas such as vengeance. What is certain is that 200 years later many European countries have achieved the same level of economic development and social justice as France (some of them even more so) without any need for a violent revolution.
As for civil rights, to me that’s even clearer: it was not violence but non-violence - boycotts, sit-ins, marches - that won over public opinion and so made it impossible for the Kennedy-Johnson government to continue doing nothing.
I think MLK would have been horrified to see the rhetoric you deploy to defend the indefensible. I certainly am.
MLK would absolutely disagree with you.
First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”
Justice delayed is justice denied. Anyone who says “Yes, you should have civil rights!…Later.” is saying No.
Many have already tried to argue that the American Healthcare system is broken, and were shot down or given vague promises that it was steadily improving.
Gandhi also preferred violence over sitting on your hands
It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. Violence is any day preferable to impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent.
“Direct action”, yes. Murder: no.
what do you think “Direct action” means?
As mentioned: protests, marches, sit-ins, strikes, there are plenty of forms of direct action. Direct action is not the same thing as violence.
This is written word, it’s incomplete, it’s flawed. Please do not assume the worst. I am responding in good faith to you here : I am genuinely hoping for everybody to come around to the fact that violence plays a central part in our societies, that it historically has, and that it may again -even if we don’t like it
I am genuinely hoping for everybody to come around to
I do assume good faith. But can you see the problem with saying, “I’m hoping that everyone eventually sees that they’re wrong and I’m right”?
the fact that violence plays a central part in our societies
On its face I agree. But I think it plays a pernicious role and personally I don’t want anything to do with it.
How’s that boot tasting?
Yawn.
Believe what you want, but don’t characterize opposition to your shitty opinion as “brigading”.
But mass downvoting is a form of brigading, just look it up. And now you’re adding insults to the mix. Well done.
Again, I personally could not care less. But by behaving like this, you’re not encouraging people to share their thoughts (unless of course they agree with you, that’s different!). And you’re certainly not creating an “uplifting” community.
To be clear, I don’t care about your downvotes. I DO care that you’re excusing the inexcusable and helping to normalize political violence.
You comment a lot for someone who could not care less.
Should I shut up so that nobody contradicts you?
You should probably shut up because nothing but shit oozes from your maw. Keeping your mouth shut so you can handle your shame in private.
mass downvoting is a form of brigading, just look it up
I did. You’re lying. Check this if you don’t believe me: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brigading
by behaving like this, you’re not encouraging people to share their thoughts
They’re discouraging takes that go against the hive mind. Simple as is. Yours just happens to also be a really shitty take.
To be clear, I don’t care about your downvotes.
You cared enough to make a comment about it.
No, all of these people are telling you that you aren’t contributing to the discussion in a meaningful way.
These people are slowly but surely destroying the fabric of society and you’re sitting here clutching your pearls about murder? Shut the fuck up.
you aren’t contributing to the discussion in a meaningful way.
Seriously? What “discussion”? There is no discussion. Everybody agrees with you except me. And yet still that’s not enough, apparently. And what have you “contributed” exactly - except to say exactly the same thing that everybody else here is saying? Do you really come to a forum just to read people who already agree with you, and then write their own lines back to them? What’s the point? Validation? I don’t get it.
Shut the fuck up.
Just to be clear to anybody else here who wants a response: this was an exception. I will not reply to comments with insults, “shut the fuck up”, "everybody thinks you are [insert insult here]’ (is that supposed to be an argument?) etc etc. I’m not at primary school any more and I’ve got better things to do. What bothers me is apology for murder. So far there’s been about 3% serious good-faith attempts to justify it, the rest has been empty anger and insults. I’m happy to reply to the former. The latter I ignore.
I’ve contributed to the conversation by pointing out you’re a part of the problem, because you are. This limp dicked thinking is the reason liberals in the U.S. have been shifting further and further right these past 45+ years.
Had more been done to stop these people sooner, sure - we may have the luxury of not calling for people to die. We are running out of time, globally - and yes people like you need to get out of the way.
This limp dicked
Stopped reading there.
Where’s your attack on the violence dealt out by so-called health insurance companies then?
Just asking because you seem to have an issue with normalizing violence.
Your agenda is very one-sided.Whatever that is, it’s not murder. My agenda has two points. I am against the killing of defenseless unarmed people in the street, whoever they are and whatever they have done, on grounds of basic ethics. And I’m against political assassination, on the grounds that it’s gratuitous and counter-productive.
So you choose to ignore corpo violence, because it’s not murder in your opinion.
That way you kind of normalize that violence.
I’m against the killing of defenseless sick people by health insurance denying claims.
I’m against economical assassination on the grounds that it’s despicable to collect insurance premium and embezzle insurance benefits instead of granting them.
And I’m happy that Luigi gets mail.How is pointing out that Healthcare United had the highest claim rejection rate in America, known for its profit-based healthcare system, political assassination? “They’re making me look bad by pointing out the things I say, do, and believe!”
Some misunderstanding. Was talking about what the shooting suspect (almost certainly) did.
But mass downvoting is a form of brigading
The downvote button is just a “I disagree” button. By saying you don’t want people to downvote you, you’re saying you don’t want people to disagree with you.
now you’re adding insults to the mix. Well done.
That’s a bit passive aggressive innit? I don’t think that was close to an insult.
you’re not encouraging people to share their thoughts
this is !upliftingnews@lemmy.world, not !unpopularopinion@lemmy.world.
I DO care that you’re excusing the inexcusable
I think Luigi’s (theoretical) actions are the opposite of excusing the inexcusable. Murdering thousands a year for profit is inexcusable and should be stopped immediately. If that takes the death of the person orchestrating the murders, so be it. I see it as indirect self defense that’s just more controversial than direct self defense.
The CEO chose to kill people and accepted the risks that come with it.Again, I personally could not care less
I doubt that.
First, to re-clarify, I don’t care about the downvotes myself. I’m a pretty resilient person, that won’t be enough to shut me up, which is apparently what you all want. I do care about the effect of the downvotes, which is to announce to everyone browsing this “discussion” that there’s a mob out, and you better say the right thing or else.
And I absolutely care about what so many people are doing here, which is to excuse murder and to normalize political violence. That’s because murder is inexcusable, period.
As if it matters, I also think that the abuses of the US healthcare system are also inexcusable. And therefore I’m not excusing them. To be glib, two wrongs do not make a right.
I rarely downvote, and even more rarely downvote and comment, but I can assure you that downvote was wholly organic. Perhaps if you feel like you’re brigade all the time, you should engage in some self-reflection.
Do you genuinely believe that if an opinion is popular in a certain in-group, it must therefore be right?
No. I downvoted because I believe you’re wrong. I said if you get piles of downvotes, maybe you should engage in some self-reflection, because maybe you’re wrong. I never said you’re wrong, and this is one of those areas that isn’t black and white, so assigning right and wrong is only reasonable to leave as a personal choice. That said, I also think it’s very wrong to put forward your opinion and then be offended when others do the same, whether it be through comments or up/downvotes.
Personally I don’t believe that something is more likely to be wrong because that is the view of 100 self-selecting people in this subset of a corner of the internet with entirely predictable opinions. We will agree to disagree on that point.
And I didn’t say it did. But when a bunch of people say you’re doing something shitty, it isn’t a bad idea to take a few moments and ask, “Am I?” And coming back at them for saying it is never a good look, even if you’re right.
It’s 1800 and I’m against slavery, should I “take a few moments” and ask, “I’m in the minority, maybe they’re right?”? It’s 1935 Germany, is it “never a good look” to say that Jews are not in fact evil vermin? Etc. This is morality we’re talking about. The votes don’t matter.
You keep acting like I said the majority think something so they must be right. Yes, I think if you were living in those examples that you should take a good look at why you believe differently than the majority and be able to defend it. No, I don’t think, even in those situations, spouting off on people disagreeing with you without giving an adequate defense of your position and merely that they’re hating because of your differing position is useful and is going to convince someone of your stance.
The market celebrates murder every day and you don’t bat an eye.
We celebrate the market feeling fear for their daily for profit murder spree for the first time.
People like you have no problem when murder is done with a confidence scheme and a claim denial letter after people paid in advance for care when they got sick.
Shame on you.
How do you feel about this murder? https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-asthma-medicine-lawsuit-walgreens-optum-8b4130ab404e513fbd68c9e02b51976b
Will you post comments asking where the justice is for this lost life?
That’s very sad but it doesn’t fit the definition of murder.
Will you post comments asking where the justice is for this lost life?
No, because I think murder (first degree, premeditated, cold-blooded) is worse than that, and I think it’s a problem that people are excusing it.
It’s clear as day to me what’s going on here. You are all angry and frustrated. You’re not murderers yourselves and you wouldn’t do what “Luigi” did, partly because you’re too cowardly, mostly because you’re better people than him. But the absence of “justice” (just quoting you) in America’s dysfunctional healthcare system is so egregious and so shocking (I agree: it is), that you feel the need to strike out somehow, to show how strongly you feel. And so you come here and excuse murder. Coz, wow, speaking up for an actual murder! That’s pretty big, right? Basically it’s a mutual support session for people who feel bad - like, really bad - about the state of American healthcare.
Personally, I don’t think that excusing murder is going to get you a better healthcare system. In fact the opposite is far more likely: if political assassinations are normalized, an authoritarian backlash becomes all but inevitable. And that will push healthcare right down the list of your priorities. And all for what? For the fleeting buzz of perverted righteousness that you get from excusing the inexcusable. It’s not worth it.
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I think murder (first degree, premeditated, cold-blooded) is worse than that
Someone has died in both cases. So why?
Title “UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting suspect thanks people for mail on new website”.
People and myself find it uplifting that the accused person gets mail and not only the usual torture routine in jail that is sleeping on the floor in a turtle suit etc.
You are seeing people celebrating murder.
We’re not the same.This is disingenuous. You know very well why the story only concerns this particular prisoner, who is in all likelihood a murderer. And not, say, the one the nextdoor cell who dealt some marijuana.
To be clear, I do agree that it good he’s getting treated properly.
What they did shouldn’t really be relevant when talking about the inhumane treatment of prisoners
So according to you, murder is bad, but getting tortured is being “treated properly.”
Weird
Wait is the article talking about murder as uplifting or are you referring to the comments on lemmy?
You say murder and I say kill. Semantics, hey?
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Are you vegan?
Mostly yes.
