Good day nice people.
I, like many I’m sure, am taking Microsoft’s discontinuation of Windows 10 support as an opportunity so switch over to Linux. As such, I have some questions about various things. I have included some context as to my personal use case at the end of the post should it be relevant.
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Does the distro I pick matter? There seems to be a lot of debate around which distro is best but a lot of the discussion I’ve seen breaks down to what each distro comes packaged with. This confuses me as if a distro doesn’t come prepackaged with something can you not just install it? Or is there some advantage to preinstalled packages other than mild convenience? Are some components difficult to integrate into your local environment?
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One of the more salient differences I’ve seen between distros has been what the various companies and teams include aside from installed packages (such as snap and rolling out amazon search as a defult search), and the data they choose to retain/sell. Part of the reason I’m switching is due to Microsoft’s forcing in of unwanted features and advertising. Is the company that owns whatever distro I choose likely to be a problem in the future? Are there particular ones to avoid/ones to keep an eye on?
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I am the sort of person who does like to tinker with things from time to time but I do also want to use my computer most of the time so I’d like to end up using a mature distro. I have identified a few frontrunners in my search but I have seen conflicting information on which of them is “mature” (sufficiently stable so I spend less time fighting my computer than I do using it as well as having a large enough community and resources to help me remedy issues I might come across). Do any of these seem like they wouldn’t fit that bill? The frontrunners are: fedora, kubuntu, mint, pop and tuxedo.
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Does linux have issues interfacing with multiple monitors? Does it handle HDR okay?
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In terms of UI and workflow I really don’t mind putting in some time tinkering with the DE, exploring it and getting it how I like. It seems Plasma KDE might be good for this? Please let me know if this is an incorrect assessment. If it is, does it matter what DE I choose? If so, is there something you could recommend for my use case.
My use case: I have a Nvidea build (RTX 2080). I have heard this can be an issue with Linux. I also have intermediate experience with linux through university and my job (with servers) as well as tinkering with SteamOS.
Things I use/do on my PC (roughly ordered in terms of priority):
- Gaming including emulation
- Firefox
- VLC
- Spotify
- Discord
- Godot
- Visual Studio
- Git
- Photoshop cs6, audacity, davinci resolve
- Misc “Tinkering” (Handbrake, dvd burners/rippers, Really any weird thing I come across that I want to tinker with)
Thank you very much for your time and help in cleaing up my confusion.
None of that matters.
You need experience, not recommendations.
Install anything and play with it to learn.
If you will not go forward without a recommendation, Debian is fine and anything you learn will generally transfer to other distributions.
Copy that. Sounds like I’m off to set up a Boot USB.
If you can figure out how to make a Debian usb installer without help then you’ll be fine.
i think they should try Bazzite, sounds ideal
If you do not want your distro to force changes down your throat like Microsoft, maybe avoid Ubuntu.
“Stability” on Linux means two things. “Stable” distros like Debian or RHEL change their software infrequently. This is indeed stable. However, you will likely be unhappy with the old software and want to install newer stuff. Many of the ways this is done will cause actual instability (bugs and crashes). Also, old software may be missing features or hardware support. If you are a gamer for example, this could be a big deal—especially if you use NVIDIA.
Things are a bit better than they used to be with tech like Distrobox and Flatpak.
The frequently updated distros can actually be “more stable” for the same reasons as above. However, every once in a while some package is going to have a bug that may hit you before it is found. Arch or EOS are examples of such distros. They have massive software repositories that probably contain everything you will ever need. If you use one of these, check out the AUR (user contributed software repo).
Distros that fall in the middle, like Mint or Fedora, are what I would recommend for a new user. Compared to Windows, you will find them very tinker friendly and tweakable. Fedora is more Wayland ready (see below).
HDR is very, very new and is part of a change in core graphics tech from something called X11 to something called Wayland. From this point forward, Wayland is the better bet but, today, the quality of your experience is going to be very dependent of the “age of your software” issue above. For NVIDIA on Wayland, you want very up-to-date versions.
KDE Plasma is the most mature Wayland environment today, in my assessment. Others are coming along quickly. That does not yet help you now though.
Photoshop is going to be a problem for you. The most often recommended replacement for PS is GIMP. Unfortunately, GIMP has been on the verge of a major update for years. GIMP 3 has not shipped yet and most distros ship a far older version (2.10). Version 3 is a massive upgrade. However, you may still find it an unsatisfactory PS replacement. Some people use Photopea online.
Gaming on Linux works really well now. However, multi-player anti-cheat systems are Windows kernel only and so these games are going to be a problem. So, your experience will depend on what you play.
The other stuff on your list will work well. Linux of course has a lot more to offer, especially if you are a dev.
Good luck!
Thank you kindly. Sounds like wayland will be just dandy for me. Not married to Photoshop. It’s just what I use. I’m sure I can figure my way around something else.
For a distro, I recommend Fedora KDE Spin. Fedora is beginner friendly, is widely supported, frequent updates (so less outdated packages), rock solid stable, works with gaming or anything else.
People recommend Linux Mint often, but I am just not a fan of how outdated the system is and its reliance on X11 (deprecated and insecure display server). I’ve daily driven mint before for like a year and it was good but I’m not a fan of cinnamon DE.
Fedora Silverblue was VERY easy to install. I opted to go the GNOME route but its been great so far as a former windows user. I rebased from Fedora to Bazzite and it was dead simple. Been on Bazzite for a couple months now and have had no major issues. Figuring out my printer drivers was a bit tedious but it worked the first time once I got the process figured out.
Bazzite is great Fedora-Atomic-based distro, especially for nvidia users. I had a friend move to Linux and that was the distro that worked. But in general, if someone is a programmer/Dev, they want to learn how to use Linux, or just install a lot of packages, I’d avoid Atomic.
Don’t get me wrong, I use Atomic. But it isn’t as straight forward as a traditional distro.
The equivalent of Bazzite but traditional Fedora is Nobara
I’m very new to Linux, and the two distros that seem the most appealing are Fedora, possibly Nobara, and openSUSE. Do you know why Fedora gets recommended so much more often over openSUSE? I’d like to narrow down my choice between these two. If it helps, I’d like to use KDE, and I game a lot.
Mostly because Fedora is more popular. I like both.
openSUSE Tumbleweed gives you much more control of what gets installed by default (you can customize every package during the GUI installer). It has been the most stable distro ive used. It is a “rolling-release” distro, meaning that packages usually get updates quicker from upstream. If you dont like getting frequent updates it may not be for you. A key feature of openSUSE distros is the system management apl Yast, which allows you to manage a lot of stuff from a GUI.
Fedora is also quite stable. I think it’s more user-friendly in my experience. After Debian/Ubuntu based distros, Fedora is the most likely to have packages built for it by developers (I’m talking 1st-party builds, not repacks). Fedora is a semi-rolling release, meaning updates are frequent but not constant.
Fedora is currently my distro off choice, but I may soon use Tumbleweed again. I daily drove Tumbleweed for a year on both my general PC and my admin computer.
Honestly a lot of it is just momentum and familiarity although I also think US vs Europe is a factor. Linux was popular in North America first and Red Hat was one of the most successful distros early on. The fact that SUSE uses the Red Hat package manager reflects this. Fedora is backed by Red Hat, the de facto standard Enterprise Linux.
Both have their fans though and trying to argue that one is better than the other would be a war of preferences. Many people believe that Tumbleweed is the best rolling distro.
Distros packaging software means that it is available to install with the package manager from their repositories. No distro provides every piece of software out there. This can be mitigated with Flatpak, Snap, GUIX, AppImage or, in a pinch, by compiling the required program yourself.
Sounds like you’ve already done most of the work. From what you’ve said, Fedora with Plasma sounds great for your use case. Good luck on your journey and glad to have you aboard!
It is pretty hard to find software not available in Arch / AUR.
On non-Arch distros, installing an Arch Distrobox is my favourite way to install software not found in the native repos.
Cheers. Sounds like package management is going to be a bit of a learning experience but what isn’t? Should end up being fine
I LOVE this comments section with so many correct, yet opposite views.
For reference I am on Mint where I installed KDE.
- My impression is that the distro does matter (a bit) but that lots of distros are very similar. The front runners you have listed all seem quite appropriate for your use case, but Fedora unlike the others updates more frequently and therefore is slanted towards more features.
The other ones are all based on Ubuntu and will offer a similar experience IF you took the time to switch out all the desktop environment, apps, settings tweaks, etc. However, the fact is that you probably won’t do that, and unless there is a good reason to, why would you when you could install a kde/gnome distro anyway?
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I wouldn’t worry about the ones you have listed at least, not comparable to Microsoft and at the end of the day it is still linux so it will be way way way easier to switch again if the companies try anything shifty. Ubuntu has made some controversial decisions around snaps but it seriously is on a different level to M$.
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All mature afaik. Mint and Fedora are both extremely popular.
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Multiple monitors has been fine for me. Not sure about HDR but look up and understand wayland vs X11.
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Plasma KDE is good! I would recommend Plasma or Gnome over Cinnamon if you know you want to tinker.
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By and large, distros package the same software so which one you pick is a matter of taste. As a beginner, you won’t have the knowledge to take advantage of documentation/instructions that are not written for your specific distro, so pick one of the more popular ones.
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No, distro owners won’t be a problem in the same way that Microsoft or Apple are. Don’t worry about that: the moment they do something unsavory (even remotely) their projects will be forked, and switching to a different distro is not that big of a deal anyway.
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If you like to tinker you will break your system, not because linux is fragile (it is not) but because knowledge of low-level stuff is widespread and the temptation to thinker with it is too great. I recommend you look into system snapshots and how they integrate with boot options (eg. opensuse tumbleweed automatically snapshosts your system when you update it and during boot you can choose to boot into a previous state - surely other distros do the same and, if yours doesn’t, you can set it up yourself).
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The short answer is “use KDE” :)
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KDE is great and seems to suit you. The DE you choose matters (IMHO) more that the distro, because once you are familiar with a DE and its shortcuts it’s a pain to switch, and also because once you are used to some feature it’s enormously frustrating to switch to a DE that doesn’t have it :)
From what I hear (I switched to AMD years ago), it’s not hard to make the Nvidia cards work properly, but it’s a recurring hassle and there are lots of things that are more fun to thinker with. Unless specific reasons you need an Nvidia card, I’d suggest selling it off and replacing it with a second-hand AMD/Intel one.
Yeah, I’ve been thinking of Upgrading my PC once I have the capital. I might end up fully switching off Intel. I chose Intel when I did my build because AMD had a bit of a reputation of poor reliability. I understand though that they’ve since far outgrown it.
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Shameless self promotion: https://lemm.ee/post/37682729
It won’t answer all of your answers, but it should at least give you a good primer on what distros are and what are the main key takeaways.
I love a bit of shameless self promotion. Especially if it’s that comprehensive.
Thanks!
When you mention Visual Studio, do you mean VSCode or Visual Studio. Cus VSCode is supported on Linux but Visual Studio is not. Confusing right?
If you need a replacement for full fledged Visual Studio, JetBrains has you covered. Clion for C/C++ and Rider for C#.
Visual Studio Code works great on Linux.
C# is my bread and butter for personal projects. I use IntelliJ at work so might give rider a try.
You already have great answers, so I’ll just drop my recommendations. LMDE if you want something more stable, and Endeavour OS if you want to go a bit more in the weeds with a rolling release.
In the end, don’t be afraid to try some for a few weeks and find one you like. One of the strength of Linux is that if you mess up, you can always reinstall,and it’s not scary since you did it once already.
Love those two recs
Sounds like experimentation’s the aim of the game. Just got a USB so will use that to try.
I would recommend you visit distrowatch.org as they have reviews of a great many distros over a long period. That would prepare you to form an opinion on what kind of experience you want to have.
Example - UI, ie. Desktop Environment: chose Gnome if you like Apples way of making things very polished and giving the user few (visible) options to tinker. Choose KDE if you like a “busy” UI with *all* the options exposed and a ton of desktop widgets. Choose MATE or LXDE if you like a snappy and minimalist approach.
Possibly the biggest differentiator between distros is their native package manager. You can take any distro and swap out eg. KDE for Gnome, but the package manager is fundamental and probably(?) impossible to replace fully.
Example: All the Debian based distros use DEB packages. You’ll find a ton, though dine distros lag behind the most recent versions. Others use Redhat’s RPM system, while still others build everything from source (which is slow as fuck but gets you to the cutting edge with all the knobs and dials). There’s also the Snap and Flatpak systems which strive to supply platform agnostic packages, but do so with very different approaches.
Good luck!
So you like tinkering? Just install Arch and go wild /s
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I’ll answer point by point, but the short answer is pick one and use it, if you have issues with it or want to try something different, switch, otherwise stick with it.
- Your understanding is mostly correct. There’s the difference that each distro has a family tree which determines which package manager they use, Red hat based distros like Fedora use rpm, Debian based distros like Mint, Pop or Kubuntu use apt, etc. So it would be easier to switch from Mint to Kubuntu than from Fedora to Pop although not by much. The main difference between distros is philosophy, which honestly you shouldn’t care too much currently as long as you aim at something beginner friendly.
- Probably not something to worry about, and if it comes to that you can just jump to another distro, trust me once you’re familiar with Linux the distro matters less and less.
- Any of them (except for tuxedo which might be a good option but I don’t know it) would be a good option. Personally I would recommend Mint, or at least a Debian based one since 3 of the ones you suggested are Debian based it would give you more options to switch easily if needed.
- It should, but your mileage might vary
- Any of them should be good for that, KDE/Plasma is a bit similar to Windows while also being very eye candy, so it’s a good choice. Also it’s the one used on the Steam Deck so you might be somewhat familiar with it already.
Extra: Nvidia should be fine as long as you use the official proprietary drivers (named
nvidia
, NOTnouveau
). Photoshop doesn’t work on Linux, so you might need to jump through hoops there, if it’s not a hard requirement I suggest looking at Gimp for photo manipulation or Krista for drawing, good luck either way since it’s uphill battle either way, one against Adobe anti-piracy measures and the other against an unfamiliar software.spoiler
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PS is just what I use, I’m not married to it. Also not really a power user so don’t mind reskilling.
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Not really unless you’re hyper-focused on a very specific type of performance. Even then, you can always enable/disable whatever bits and pieces because it’s all software, and it’s all open. There are guides or threads for absolutely everything out there. A distro only organizes it simpler on base install to make it easier ootb.
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Linux itself does not do any data collection. Never heard of any distro enabling anything by default, and you can rip it right out anyway if you want, though it’s more work. If you’re concerned about this though, stay away from Ubuntu, as that is the one corporate backed distro that is more likely to lean into this.
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Fedora is probably what you want. It’s taken over the helm Ubuntu used to have as the default to try. Clean, simple, no bullshit, huge community.
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Linux, no, but you’re conflating a few things. Linux is the kernel. The desktop you choose to run is what does the graphical session management. Both KDE and Gnome are fine with this, though there is an argument that KDE is a tad ahead in this realm with their VRR implementation.
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Gnome is more akin to MacOS. KDE is more Windows-like (but still not at all). Try both on a liveUSB for a bit and see which you like.
At the end of the day you can run practically anything on a liveUSB for as long as you want before installing, even games (within reason). Be comfortable in the knowledge that if there is something you don’t like about a particular thing, you can change it to act however you want. Like I said above, it’s all just software. It’s going to be a little tough coming from a Windows-centric world to realize this at first, but I assure you, installing and running one distro absolutely does not lock you into anything at all because you can just install and remove absolutely everything.
Now, hardware compatibility is a different story. The Linux kernel itself is what does all the hardware management, so if your hardware is too new, there may not be full support for a particular thing. It sounds like you’re on an older machine though, so unless it’s got some really obscure hardware in it, everything should be detected and load straight out of the box. Again, try a few liveUSB runs and make sure, it’s that simple.
Copy that. Got myself a USB so I’ll do some playing. Thanks for the clarification. As for hardware, only weird thing might be my sound card but we’ll see how that plays out.
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Too many distros to compare. If you want to tinker as a beginner and not have to reinstall for minor mistakes, go for something like OpenSUSE, it has Snapshotting with Rollback built in. You make a mistake, reboot to the previous snapshot and make it the default if everything is normal. NVidia also hosts a specific repo for OoenSUSE so I have never had graphics issues.
As a 20+ year SuSE user, I agree it’s a great distro. So much of this is just picking a distro that’s decent on the desktop and going with it. I would say there are some wrong choices but there isn’t one right choice.
Whatever distro OP picks, they should join the Lemmy/subreddit/forums for that distro and keep an eye on them.
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Does the distro I pick matter?
Packages
When you install a distro it will have repositories of apps that you can easily install and easily keep updated using either the GUI (GNOME Software for GNOME, Discover for KDE) or the package manager in terminal (dnf in Fedora, apt in kubuntu and mint). It’s similar to how you install apps on a smartphone.
The good thing about the apps from the default repository is that they’re (in theory) tested to work well with the distro.
You can also install applications from other sources when necessary.
Update Frequency and new tech
Another difference is how new kernel and software you get from the repos.
The latest Debian Stable runs kernel 6.1 while Fedora just updated to 6.12 and arch has been running 6.12 since december.
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Company-run distros and alternatives:
In my opinion Ubuntu is the ones doing the most forcing as of now, and even they are angels compared to Microsoft.
Fedora had discussions about including opt-out Telemetry to aid them getting data to improve the distro. They listened to community feedback and backpedaled that into opt-in metrics:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Metrics
Debian and Arch are both examples of distros without enterprise involvement and that have no upstream distro that can affect their releases.
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Stability of the distro:
Of your frontrunners I’ve only run Fedora but that has been stable and been working well for me for my primary PC. So has Debian which I run on my servers (I have a Debian VM running Portainer for dockers, one for running Jellyfin and a third for Forgejo). -
Monitor support
Multi monitor support
I don’t have the desktop space for double monitors personally, but I’ve heard that KDE 6 (Plasma) handles multi monitor support well.
HDR
Should be working since November
- Both KDE and GNOME are customizable. KDE is more similar to Windows and I realized that most of my GNOME customizations was to make it more similar to Windows and KDE. I’ve since switched to KDE and must say I really enjoy having a proper file browser as default. Nautilus (default GNOME file browser) has been simplified to death and caused me to create a script to replace it with nemo.
Nvidia is a whole lot simpler to use than people make it sound like, though I’ll stay team red:
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA#Current_GeForce.2FQuadro.2FTesla
Fedora guide for Nvidia drivers unless you’re running a really old card:sudo dnf update -y # Update your machine and reboot sudo dnf install akmod-nvidia # Installs the driver sudo dnf install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda #optional for cuda/nvdec/nvenc support (required for Davinci Resolve)
- Gaming including emulation
First person shooters with kernel intrusive Anticheat won’t work in Linux as they expect to spy on a Windows OS.
Other than that gaming on Linux is really getting there as I’m sure you’ve realized when using a Steamdeck.
Outside of Steam you have Heroic Games Launcher, Lutris and Bottles for running windows games on Linux.
I’m mostly using Lutris but I think Heroic Games launcher is the more popular one. - Firefox
Default browser in most distros - VLC
Available in most default distro repositories. - Spotify
Available as a Flatpak on Flathub, haven’t used it myself. - Discord
I know people has had some trouble with screen sharing but that the DiscordCanary (think Beta version) solves it.
https://github.com/flathub/com.discordapp.Discord/issues/380 - Godot
Can be downloaded as a simple bin file from their own site: https://godotengine.org/download/linux/
Also available as a Flatpak on Flathub - Visual Studio
The closest you get is VSCode. - Git
Not a problem. - Photoshop cs6, audacity, davinci resolve
Photoshop might be trouble, Audacity and Davinci Resolve should work. - Misc “Tinkering” (Handbrake, dvd burners/rippers, Really any weird thing I come across that I want to tinker with)
Handbrake is available as a Flatpak on Flathub, there’s dvd burner applications available too.
Wow, that was really comprehensive and clear, thank you. I’ll digest and factor into the deliberations. Reckon I’ll also switch to AMD with my next build. Main reason I went Intel/Nvidea is cuz AMD’s old reputation was still ringing in my ears when I build it.
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