Is it a PTB move (!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com) to ban a user if their only activity in a community is downvoting posts?
The behaviour baffles me a bit. If they dislike the majority of the posts in a community, why are they subscribed? Or if they are browsing by /all, why have they not blocked the community? Are they under the mistaken impression that Lemmy has an algorithm which uses downvotes as an indicator for “show me less of this”?
Has anyone else encountered a “serial downvoter” in any of their communities?
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You need to know why.
I went through days on Reddit where I would not find something posted that I wanted to upvote and found posts that, while maybe good for another community, were not fitting my definition of the intended topic. As a non-mod, you can’t directly shape the content, but you can vote.
Like you said, they also might not understand that downvoting things from a particular community will not make it show up less.
Just ask them. If they’re a jerk, you can still ban them. If they are ignorant but cool, you can help them be a better netizen.
PTB. This thread is insane to me. If one person is downvoting posts, so fucking what? Just because they only downvote means their opinion is less valid? Maybe the content just sucks. If this is banworthy, then I might just be done with Lemmy already bc this is some petty bullshit.
Is it possible they’re a bot?
It’s situational.
By itself, down voting but not otherwise interacting is fine. Hell, one of the uses of votes is to let the sorting work, so down votes are a valid form of interaction.
But, some people abuse that. So, if the pattern of their voting shows that they’re targeting a single user, or trying to manipulate the ranking to shift sorting artificially, or points to some other bad actorship, mod intercession would be a valid choice.
However, a ban would not be an acceptable first intervention. That would be overreach, going beyond the scale of the issue. Contacting the user first would be the appropriate step. Remember, lemmy is still small enough that we can at least try to treat each other like people instead of just words on a screen.
Let me use a personal example to illustrate why contact first is the better option.
There is a community, which I won’t specify to avoid causing them grief, that is dietary based. Because of my background, I have a higher than usual grasp of the general subject, and have higher personal standards for health claims surrounding fad diets.
As such, when I would scroll past posts on that community that were factually incorrect, or didn’t give supporting evidence outsider of a YouTube link, I would down vote it without any further action or interaction. Early on, the only posts were being made by the mod of the community, and they noticed that not only was I down voting almost everything on the C/, but that was all I was doing.
On the surface, that can look sketchy, right? Some rando just down voting with no observable pattern.
So, they contacted me. Asked what I was doing and why. I explained pretty much what I said here, and the conversation was pleasant. That started adding in text that gave more info than just linking to a video, which means that people scrolling by weren’t just hit by what amounts to ads for a fad diet, which is a major problem that isn’t really discussed much, but can have massive effects on people’s health.
With the extra effort in place, the posts ceased to have that same quasi-subliminal effect where people just absorb it passively due to it being background noise. So, I no longer needed to down vote those posts, and ceased doing so; reserving down votes for posts that either weren’t on topic for the C/, or contained things that amount to disinformation.
That interaction gave me a ton of respect for that mod, even though I still disagree with what their community “advertises” based on my knowledge out nutritional best practices. It also made me willing to check their linked videos on occasion to see if maybe my knowledge and current best practices should change to incorporate that diet as practical and healthy. So far, all I’ve seen is that it’s less harmful than I thought, but that’s going too far off topic.
Looping back to your specific quandry, I think that it’s always worth trying to communicate. Lemmy really is a unique social experiment, and the best part about it is the people. As long as we all try to handle things person-first, we have a high chance at things staying more like a community than a disconnected bunch of user names that might as well be bots for all we care.
Now, being real, humans are assholes. So chances are that your attempt at communication will fail, and may fail with them being a giant, gaping, stinking asshole. But I think it’s still best to make the attempt before moving on to other options.
If they’re an asshole, then you ban them on grounds of community interference. If they aren’t, then maybe something good comes out of it.
Bans like that are a valid and useful tool. Anyone saying otherwise doesn’t understand what it takes to keep a forum running smoothly. But it has to be a scalpel, not an axe. It’s way too easy to slip into being a power tripping bastard that ruins the very community you’re trying to keep healthy. If you find yourself reaching for that ban hammer before trying other things, it’s time to get some backup. Find someone to help take the load off, to spread the stresses of having to police a community and yourself.
Ban them.
Lemmy is so young (and feeble) that users like those are an actual threat to your community and the larger network by driving away those who actually contribute to the community. In 2019, TrueBirch from Reddit analysed the data and concluded that only 1.9% of users actually comment or post while 98.1% just lurks. When your community is has a thousand or so users, it’s entirely reasonable to protect those ~20 users who are creating content for the rest. In fact, the majority of the rest likely don’t upvote things either.
I’d argue that lemmy is so young, and small, that communication first is a viable, and better, way to start.
Yep, they get banned. End of story. Though I’d be willing to unban them if they appealed and explained their behavior. Or if there was a mistake on my end, obviously
If it’s only downvotes, then a ban is justified.
It’s not considered powertripping as that is a form of vote manipulation.