From: @liliputing_@liliputing.com
Mwah, pretty competitive pricing. Hope this catches on.
That’s probably the pricing before including anything (cpu, ram, ssd, ports.)
Cpu is included, but the others yes. Still a good price tho.
Thanks Trump!
We don’t get nice things anymore, only “American things”.
Keep in mind that the 569,-€ is for the DIY edition and does not include RAM, SSD (2230 form factor) or expansion cards. So assuming you’re starting with nothing the cheapest price would be about this:
- Framework Laptop 12 569,-€
- 8 GB DDR5-5600 22,-€
- 256 GB M.2 2230 SSD 34,-€
- 4 expansion cards, ex. 2 USB-C, 2 USB-A 40,-€ (other cards are more expensive)
So about 665,-€ at current pricing from Germany, not including individual shipping costs of the RAM and SSD. If you require/want Windows then that would need to be factored in as well.
Obviously quite a bit cheaper compared to the 13, but I doubt this will impact the education market that this is supposed to target (unless edu gets steep discounts).
You also need to include a 60w power adapter.
Many people have 60 and 100w usbc adapters already. I know I do.
You can BYO…
Of course. But the comment above says if you start from nothing.
Yes, but most people are more likely to have a USB-C power adapter lying around than an SSD or RAM.
This would make one hell of an impact at my school in Australia, our school sells shitty cheap laptops for $1200 AUD (around €723), but the licenses for software are provided by the government and the laptops tend to cost less than half the school sells them for, so the framework laptop 12 would definitely be preferable, including with the add-ons you mentioned.
A little sidenote, I have no clue how it’s legal for the school to price gouge us like that for literally the cheapest ThinkPads or other laptops possible.
Is it a form of funding for the school? Or are they getting ripped off too?
At the campus I’m currently at, it’s funded pretty well, we have good quality buildings, we have doctors that come in every couple days and have “chillout tuesday” where we have activities and free food in the seminar room. The other two campuses are definitely falling behind in those regards.
Either they may not be getting enough from the government and are supplementing it, or they are getting ripped off by Lenovo, although it seems to be due funding the school, since there are also the out for uniform days, where you have to pay $10 unless you don’t want to participate for the rest of the year.
More powerful i5 with 32GM RAM and a bunch of expansion cards amounted to about 1200€. A bit more than similarly specked 15-17 laptops, but preliminary I couldn’t find anything with this speks in this formfactor, so I couldn’t compare properly.
Meh, no Ryzen option… :-/
Yeah, gotta jump to the 13 (waiting for mine with a ryzen 7 350 now).
FWIW, they had very specific goals with the 12 and outlined the reasoning in a video.
Huh, only has one memory slot. Single channel is certainly a choice and is unfortunately enough to make me write this off…
Maybe there’s a USB C to memory module?
a USB4 CXL module would be exceptionally cursed and I am here for it
You can download more memory.
These look great… But no backlit keyboard option :(
Good, at least no keayboard with the letters getting easily worn off
You need to learn to touch type.
I just think they’re neat
OK dad
In the dark, and close your eyes
I dont need a laptop right now but damn this thing is sexy. Its been a long time since hardware gave me that “do want” itch even though i dont need it. Ryzen would have been great but even with an Intel SOC this thing is a compelling package.
But isn’t this an American company?
The laptops are manufactured in Taiwan. There’s so much unpredictability in the tariffs so they’re delaying until it settles down. Tariffs are going to impact US companies and US residents.
Yes, but the products are manufactured and assembled in Taiwan, using a dedicated team for framework, and shipped to local warehouses across the world to sell and ship locally. They can easily decide to make, ship and sell the product across the globe but in the us. The ceo explained that they forsaw things like this when they started in 2019/2020 and therefore decided, back then, that they would take on this model to not fuck themselves incase trump would go haywire back then.
That has now saved their arses tbh
Yes. This is the technology community, not the buy European one.
Framework is pushing laptops in the right direction.
I didn’t mean it as a boycott us comment, I am surprised you can pre-order it anywhere but in their own country is all. Also understand why, don’t need an explanation.
I like the concept, but I hate that the four USB modules aren’t included in price. It’s ridiculous to be almost forced to pay €40 for having 2x glorified 3 cm cord extensions on each side
I still prefer a used Thinkpad, better on the environment.
I see a lot of people bashing this laptop but i still think it came out be a really nice machine. I still dont agree with the framework philosophy(i say this while daily driving a framework 13) because i think devices should be pro-repair and not pro-i-can-dissasemble-it-for-fun or whatever you would call it. But the laptops they make are still really nice but they overdo the whole repair thing. A laptop should be repairable enough that tech savvy people can fix it and not so non-tech people can. Too much unnecessary overhead for very little gain.
I think you have been lulled into submission by the decades-long “Let’s make it really complicated to repair for no reason other than profits” narrative. This is exactly how devices should look. This is exactly how your TV, radio looked 30 years ago. Easy to disassemble, diagrams on the bloody box, extra fuses, relays if one blows.
Hell, this is exactly how your desktop looked and still looks. Lots of extra screws, replaceable parts. Easy to disassemble (not even using screws for the panels).
I literally just dont think so. The diagrams shouldnt be IN the freaking device it should be in the box on the manual. Also from my ubderstanding framework doesnt provide a bunch of low level documentation which i also think should be included. Old devices, old tvs, etc could have complicated assemblies and you had to be tech savvy to take it apart, the difference was they made it possible to take it apart. In the same space framework provides 4 io ports you could put all the io that could be possible and still make it repairable. You can use daughter boards instead of whole physical assemblies and save a bunch of space and reduce on mechanical assemblies you need to keep all the parts together. For example on a desktop device where you had more space old devices would use a fuse panel but on a handheld radio you would need to take out a few screws and only then could you replace the fuse. And the manual and wiring diagram was on a piece of paper you got in the box. It was to save space. I think its a completely worthile investment. The problem most people face when designing something like this is its hard and they either cheap out and make it hard to repair or waste resources on complicated mechanisms that could be achieved in an easier way. While this isnt such a big problem on a laptop, when you get to phones it is a hard balance. Of course if you legally force companies to comply with RTR then suddenly they come up with really good ideas to balance cost, complexity and repairability which is what we should do.
Sorry for the rant btw this is just a space im very invested in and have a lot of opinions about so i wanted to share what i think.
Why consider these guys when Tuxedo and Slimbook exist??
Are either of those brands designed with the same level of user serviceability in mind?
The main drive for framework is how easy they are to repair or mod along with their varying degrees of modularity (such as their swappable ports).
I just noticed this is the technology community and not the BuyEuropean community. So my comment doesn’t make sense.
On the subject of those two anyway, I think Slimbook is just a Clevo reseller?
Not sure about Tuxedo
Both are.
However, and I’m not so familiar with Slimbook, but at least Tuxedo makes changes to the hardware they get from Clevo (or TongFeng?), to build what is ultimately a more premium product.
They also ship their own Linux distro that is optimised for the hardware they choose to put on their laptops and has a control panel that allows you to fine tune performance, battery, and so on.
You can check reviews of Tuxedo laptops. People are generally happy with what they get. I’m buying one before October this year before windows 10 drops all security patches. I’m already running linux out of a pendrive and happy with it.
