Discord is just another social media site that has a whole lot of people fooled into thinking it’s not creating profiles on them for advertising. Gonna get real obvious real soon though.
I guess thats OK for community dev teams and stuff - like it works well, users can come and accesa the faq or support and leave. But it can leave a walled garden of data in there if they want to move elsewhere later though.
Larger issue is the people that share their whole lives there as a quasi-Facebook. That’s all getting hoovered up and sold to the highest bidder - alongside data like exactly what activity you do on your PC (processes running when and where for how long etc - Discord monitors a lot)
they’re gonna make it a million times worse putting the activision blizzard guy in charge.
Please tell me you’re joking. I was just beginning to like some of the discord communities I’ve joined over the years.
Fuck that guy, seriously. Activision already ruined WoW, which I sincerely liked a lot for a very long time.
sadly no it was mentioned in here: https://www.theverge.com/news/654594/discord-new-ceo-jason-citron-humam-sakhnini
Ugh. Typical corporate bullshit.
Discord ruined what was left of online forums and so it’s users now deserve the full force of enshittification. It was so easy to join, how come it’s this hard to leave?
It’s hard to leave because it’s easy to join, and because it has the critical mass of users. Simple as that. It takes a lot to get people to abandon their chats, their friends, their groups, and the years of built-up message history, for an app that likely has fewer users and fewer features.
I don’t want more apps, I want to return to
monkeearly 2000s web forums.no thank you I actually like chatting over a websocket connection instead of having to refresh a page every two minutes
Granted they’re not the growing and bustling places they used to be, but there are still both niche and “lifestyle” forums that are alive and stable. Other than this place, one of the latter is where I spend most of my online socializing time.
Mutual hostage taking, you can’t leave because everyone is there, and they can’t leave because you’re there.
Only collective action can be organized to break this social trap. The easiest way is to require the garden’s walls pulled down.
But I’d be fine putting down the executive
Yea I saw the writing on the wall years ago. Why do I want a fucking client to talk to mass people. That is a shit format for more than like 6 people in a room.
It’s basically an old school chat room at that point.
Exactly, and a terrible informational forum IMO
Where the fuck are we gonna go?
You could go to matrix
I dunno. There’s probably a discord group that discussed it but you are not in it so I guess you won’t ever know.
Element. If you are missing something, talk to all those motivated people doing Discord bots or whatever, they can contribute to Element/Matrix. And it’s actually open source, they keep their contributions, contrary to all the work they have done for Discord for free.
Forums. Lemmy. Group Chats.
What does discord do that these dont bar create a barrier for use?
Unlike Forums discord exists.
IRC is basically all the chat portions of discord.
If you think everyone using the Discord/Slack/Mattermost/Rocketchat/… generation of chat with inline image display and all those features, voice and video chat and screen sharing is ever going to switch to IRC at this point you are simply delusional.
Oh, I don’t expect it to happen, I’m just pointing out that it still exists and takes care of some of that functionality. I don’t think I’ve ever seen gifs, videos, or screen sharing implemented in IRC.
Better though because you don’t need an account, and can gain a lot of anonymity via an eggdrop or vpshell etc.
fyi discord has already been enshitifying for at least 5 years now
Uh oh.
We need a decent replacement for this, stat. Once they go into IPO mode it’s gonna get real shitty, real fast.
This is them going into IPO mode.
Matrix is a reasonable replacement.
Matrix is still pretty jank
teamspeak are also stepping up their game ive heard
We already have TeamSpeak/Ventrillo, and I think IRC is still a thing?
Oh wow, it can get shittier?
Matrix for chatting, when we need voice chat we use ts3. Been using it for so long now, I don’t understand the problem why people dont use it
You can integrate Jitsi to your Matrix too. If you have a client that supports it, you get both chat and voice in the same place.
We need fast voice chat though, i play tournaments for cs2 and apex legends. Haven’t tested jitsi speed yet vs ts3 or mumble, which was the main reason we never used discord to start with
I must admit I’ve never reamly benchmarked any voice chat application. One advantage Jitsi does have is the ability to do p2p calls, saving a couple dozen milliseconds of transfer time compared to going through the server. But how fast is the software itself? No clue.
its gonna enshittify
Let’s be real, the enshitification started quite some time ago. Though I do expect it to get much worse.
Hey bruh u wanna buy nitro bruh. It’s the new shit bruh
What the fuck does Nitro even do, other than give you some useless emoji?
Increased file attachment sizes (10->50->100MB depending on tier, I think).
Cross post emojis from any server you are on.
Cross post stickers from any server you are on.
Higher maximum server count.
One free server boost.
Probably a couple more vanity shit. Yep, entirely laughable business model.
What exactly does a server boost do?
I like it, it’s just extra stuff and nothing essential.
It’d suck a lot more if they gated necessary features behind a paywall
Give it another year.
Start shopping for replacements now.
The different tiers are 50mb for basic and 500mb for the full.
The full one also includes:
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Stream video in 4k at 60fps
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2 free boosts and 30% off all boosts
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Custom profile per server(different name, avatar, etc. for each of if you want)
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200 server limit
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4000 character message limit
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Custom entry sound(and custom sounds everywhere)
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3x free nitro for two weeks that you can gift to people
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Tons of profile/avatar perks including animated banners, profiles, permanent quest rewards, badges, etc.
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There’s also some discount in their shop.
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I got nitro for higher audio quality so I could stream background music while running a DnD campaign over discord.
It also increases your streaming resolution and file upload size limit which is quite useful.
It also lets you use emojis from any server in any other server, which isn’t “useful” but is fun and I do it all the time.
For these 3 things I think it’s worth it. It’s worth noting I have a grandfathered Nitro plan that is more features than “Nitro Basic” but less features than the next tier at a cost that’s in between.
The real enshitification I’m worried about is the gradually increasing prevalence of ads in increasingly prominent places.
I got nitro for similar reasons but would up cancelling when discord sent ads to a friend of mine with my screen name on it, “why not join your friend _____ with nitro” or something.
Absolutely not, don’t use my name to shill to people I respect.
Bro got replaced by some ex-Activision-Blizzard MBA zombie. Humam got 86’d/golden parachuted from Blizzard after only <2 years as “Vice Chairman”. Then a 1-2 yr gap.
Humam about to get another massive bag once labor force is cut, platform further enshittified, and corp books are sufficiently cooked/prepped for IPO.
Wait, there’s actually humans working at Discord? I thought the entire thing was run by bots.
A bitter end for this lemon.
Is it really bitter if IPO is successful? Citron and other cofounders likely setup to get a massive payout when it IPOs.
Humam isn’t someone that will look after the company for many years. He is brought in to cook the books, and get it to an IPO.
What is success here? The few founders and VC get filthy rich as the larger population dumps their money into Discord stock while the users and teams with limited foresight, who’ve moved their communities to discord, suffer?
I mean yeah I guess that’s the success Cory Doctorow warns us about again and again.
But that’s not my definition of success.
For context I’ve been on the receiving end of an IPO and the founders and investors made out like bandits while a fair number of employees were stuck holding the bags thanks to lock-ins, dilution and over priced shares.
Citron means lemon in various languages.
Maybe he was out of juice
There guess the chat app.
I get ads in my discord now. Revolt, Matrix, thats your queue.
Cue, unless you want them to get in line to do the same thing.
Yeah get in line and get installed on my computer.
Are those any good or better than guilded?
Probably not. Revolt is pretty bare bones but the customization is great. No video sharing.
Matrix is not something you can just set up with no skills.
But Guilded’s story is exactly the same as Discord’s just one chapter behind.
Matrix is not something you can just set up with no skills.
not everyone needs to host their own server. just choose an existing one that’s not matrix. org (which is basically overloaded)
You do if you want a replacement for “your own discord server”
“your own discord server” was never a server, just a blatant lie, or “marketing” term. in matrix spaces are the equivalent (or similar) feature
Isn’t replicating this the goal of spaces? How are those doing on matrix?
It is, you aren’t wrong. But the invisible eye of corporate Discord is not the same. Discord makes you feel like you are in your own space. I found from the servers I am in on Matrix it feels, decidedly less like that. Revolt is a 1 to 1 replacement for discord that is lacking a lot of features. I’d push people to that over Matrix if they are used to discord and just want that again. I’m not even gonna mention Guilded to people.
Yeah I can see what you mean. Even if it is just a sectioned off bit of the glob of discord servers, a discord instance does feel like an island in a way that a matrix space does not. Last I remember using them it was still a little messy in ways that felt strange too. The real struggle is having folks to check them out with considering many of my friend group already had to be talked into trying discord lol.
I’m glad I’m too old to use Slack but for video games. I’d rather eat a bowl of hair than have more notifications.
Slack but for video games
Lol when introducing new employees to Slack who haven’t used it before I always say “It’s Discord, but for work” haha
Haha that’s funny, when I first had to use slack and discord, I thought oh this is IRC, just with extra crap
I miss slack every day, teams is getting better but… Ugh
I mean… it’s teams. At this point making it worse is hard
Does revolt have screen share with audio? What about noise filter?
