It’s happening again!
Keep it up Apple, keep pissing off the gamers. Shrink that monopoly. Seems pretty fucking insane that they can stop an app from working remotely. If an app that is being used to coordinate a rebellion takes off the US government can order Apple to disable its use. I hope the degoogling Android trend takes off further.
Imagine if now, at the height of their success, Apple finally decided, for the first time, to alienate the core audience they’ve always shown undying dedication to: gamers /s
They targeted gamers.
Gamers.
We’re a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.
We’ll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it’s fun.
We’ll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.
Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.
Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?
These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We’re already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren’t shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We’ve been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that’s already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they’ve threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can’t is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.
Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You’re not special, you’re not original, you’re not the first; this is just another boss fight.
I have a very particular set of skills…
The DMA should never have allowed Apple any oversight of apps distributed outside their store.
People buying Apple products want to be told by Apple what’s allowed. The walled garden is core to Apple’s product philosophy. It’s not like everybody was expecting Apple to be super open and inclusive with anything and then be taken by surprise from the Fortnite situation. Even before they deprecated open standards because their own tech is supposedly evolving faster and are better integrated.
People wanting to play Fortnite on phones can just get a reasonably specced Android phone and install EGS next to Play Store with just a few taps.
People buying Apple products want to be told by Apple what’s allowed.
I get that this crowd generally thinks Apple is hellspawn, in spite of also having devices made by other, also shitty corporations, but this is just a dumb thing to say. They’re just devices. Yes some of us prefer them. I didn’t switch after every mainline Android phone from G1 through Nexus and Pixel because I wanted a paternal imposition of allowed apps. Stupid fucking comment.
No, apple is a piece of shit for not allowing you to flash whatever firmware you want on there. It makes my job harder and no one wants to do ios pentesting because of that.
I hope that apple burns to hell.
I don’t disagree with any of that. I only take issue with the quoted statement.
Stupid fucking comment.
I was merely stating in simple words what Apple’s product is and that their customers respond to exactly that. You choice of words shows that a loud fraction of their user base is a cult, though.
What are you on about? What you said simply is not true. At least, I’ve not once heard an Apple user state they wanted to be told what they were allowed to use. You either believe that, which would be stupid, or you don’t which would be disingenuous. You pick.
It may be a scumbag company, or its users a cult, but that doesn’t stop what you said from being stupid.
I’ve yet to hear anyone in republican cities say they want a king, yet they keep on voting for it.
Eh, not really. I buy Apple because I’ve had 3 Android phones crap out on me literally days after their warranty died. I got tired of that shit, I paid a bit more and got myself an iPhone 13. It still works as good as it did on the first day. While I do know that Apple devices have a set death day (when they stop getting security updates), I believe I generate far less e-waste by buying 1 iPhone every 7 or 8 years instead of buying a brand new Android every year.
As far as Fortnite goes, I don’t care for the game itself, but I am happy that they fought Apple in court and gave developers the freedom to implement third party IAP, albeit I have no use for it as I only use my phone for phone calls and messaging and the occasional web browsing.
What a disingenuous arguement.
You said you paid more for an iPhone, which means you were buying cheap Android phones and then complaining that they don’t last. Well yeah, because they’re cheap.
You can buy Android phones that make iPhones look like the budget option if you want to, I’m not advising it but it’s possible.
I’d say even cheap Androids can last long: Samsung A series receive 4 OS updates and after updates are over, you can get a few more years with last supported OS until battery or app compatibility becomes a problem.
It was one S21, S22 and a Pixel 5 or 6. I didn’t overpay for the mux delux version, just the basic one.
buying a brand new android every year
We’ve had wildly different experiences with these companies, for what it’s worth.
I bought an iPhone X back when they were new, and had to get it replaced twice within the first 6 months because of hardware failures.
Conversely, I kept my Pixel 3 (from 2019) until last year.
Which Android phones did you have?
Predicting a classic tale of comparing apple flagships to $150 android phones.
S21, S22 and a Pixel 5 or 6. The latter was the one to break the camel’s break.
I had a MacBook, while I was typing on it, suddenly just turn off, never to be turned on again. Took it to the store, they told me it was cheaper to buy a new one.
I had a similar experience and this is what made me switch away from Apple computers.
I only use my phone for phone calls and messaging and the occasional web browsing.
Why not use a feature phone, then? Cheaper, more repairable, and the Nokia ones will also last longer.
this might be enough for people to switch phones to android, you dont mess with peoples addiction to games.
They targeted gamers.
Gamers.
We’re a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.
We’ll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it’s fun.
We’ll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.
Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.
Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?
These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We’re already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren’t shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We’ve been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that’s already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they’ve threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can’t is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.
Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You’re not special, you’re not original, you’re not the first; this is just another boss fight.
If you don’t want to be called racist misogynist rape apologists don’t be racist, misogynist, or apologize for rape. Pretty simple. Gamers are not actually an oppressed identity my guy. Nobody is out to get you.
I don’t know whether you’ve been alive during the “games make people violent” craze, where the establishment was trying to pin school shootings on a harmless hobby: The same establishment which caused the systemic issues driving youth into desperation was now blaming an escapist hobby for the issues they, themselves, caused. It’s like framing jugglers for knife attacks. Do some jugglers juggle knives? Yes. Does that have anything to do with anything? No.
Is that in any way comparable in scale and intensity to what various groups had to go through historically, or are now, no of course not. But gamers, as a wider culture, know what it’s like to be victim-blamed. The average person who picks up playing games as a hobby is not any more racist, misogynist, or drivelling rape apologia than the population average. They do it because they enjoy it, no further qualifications necessary.
But OTOH, nope. The copypasta is pumped-up to 11 when it comes to the capacity of gamers to be a community, to organise, take joint action, be a force, everything. I’d be easy to go “no true gamer” on some people but face it “gamers” as a group are still pre-ordering games and letting GPU scalpers have their way with us. Just as powerless as, say, football fans are powerless in he face of FIFA corruption. Concert goes in the face of ticket platform monopolies. We’re a hopeless case in any other aspect but whinging: That, we are masters of.
Is this a copy pasta? If it weren’t for the 1 typo (8n), I’d swear this is a copy pasta. If it’s not already, I’m definitely saving it and making it one. Nice pasta, bro
It’s copy pasta, I’ve seen it before.
say their iPhone is preventing them from Installing what they want.
Mind blown that’s what you are paying 1000€ for every few years for you Starbucks capitalist - coffee (a coffee for about 25€ thats just a normal coffee so those Hippies can feel like they are fighting capitalism) drinking dipshit.
How does it take someone so long to realise one of the main points of a product they are buying? Like, its like if I’d use a toilet plunger from public bathrooms as totthbrushes, and just after getting e.coli 10 times I realised that they aren’t there to brush teeth.
You want the 3 f’s? Freedom, Foss and fortnite? Start standing up against such business practices.
I keep trying to explain this to useful idiots but to no avail.
The money they keep throwing at corporations will always be used against them.
Yes. I’ll add to this that when I look at prices of hardware, it’s not even an option. Buying an iPhone would be equivalent to buying a good laptop, except you just can’t do much work on a PDA. When excluding actually doing work, as a tool for the job it’s equivalent to something 4 times cheaper.
And in addition to that it has disgusting elitist advertising, relies on sweatshops for production, and isn’t even fully usable without company’s permission to run this or that.
I wanted one when I thought they look very cool.
To be fair, Theres not really any phone that dosent use sweatshops except fairphone if you disregard the Qualcomm and other proprietary parts
But yes, Its really shitty, like, I am using an old samaung S3 as internet radio to this day, and an S7 with lineage as Retroarch gaming console, and they both run completely fine with and without battery. If those were iPhones from that era, they wouldn’t even work anymore
So they’re wilfully ignoring the EU’s Digital Markets Act and a US court-ordered injunction that prevents them from punishing developers for trying to circumvent the use of the App Store for in-app purchases, after one of their execs was caught lying under oath and potentially facing criminal repercussions.
I’m not the biggest fan of Epic Games, but I really want to see this backfire spectacularly. Apple’s business practices are so bad that it makes me want to see Tim Sweeney kick Tim Cook’s ass in court.
Epic isn’t wrong about Apples payment requirements being BS, but Epic also isn’t exactly a hero here.
Will be interesting to see how this pissing match plays out over time.
Should you be able to use other payment providers outside of apple pay YES!
Should you be able to install other APP stores on an iPhone? Not sure.
Why shouldn’t you be able to install whatever you want? Maybe I’m missing something…
You are missing the gene that makes one an apple fanBoi apparently.
I am in the camp that there is a benefit to the managed store. Since moving family members to iOS devices the number of times they have loaded malware or asked me for help installing ANYTHING dropped to zero.
Should techies be able to side load if they want? Sure, should that be a primary install method? No.
All bootloaders should be able to be unlocked and able to install the OS of your choice. Also you should be able to choose whatever app store you want. It is your hardware, you payed for it.
If you want a customizable phone, yes. If you want a secured phone, no.
There are already existing products for both sides. No point in forcing them to do something else at this point.
Except Google is trying to limit this on Android phones as well (e.g. with SafetyNet).
If manufacturers had their way, there wouldn’t be any phones for one side.
If manufacturers had their way, there wouldn’t be any phones for one side.
There’s nothing stopping manufacturers from permanently locking the bootloader. Some do and others don’t suggesting that the industry does not have a universal preference.
I do think Google wants it to be inconvenient enough to run a version of Android they haven’t blessed as one’s main phone that it has no chance to become mainstream, but that’s about the prospect of an OEM not bundling Google’s apps and store, not hobbyists running custom builds. If that sounds like an attempt to use market power to exclude competitors in violation of fair trading laws in a multitude of jurisdictions, you might be on to something.
There’s nothing stopping manufacturers from permanently locking the bootloader. Some do and others don’t suggesting that the industry does not have a universal preference.
Some manufacturers have stopped allowing unlocking their bootloaders, some bootloaders have been hacked by the community. It’s not like this is a static system.
I do think Google wants it to be inconvenient enough to run a version of Android they haven’t blessed as one’s main phone that it has no chance to become mainstream, but that’s about the prospect of an OEM not bundling Google’s apps and store, not hobbyists running custom builds.
No, Google is also trying to stop hobbyists running custom builds from accessing services built on their software (the aforementioned SafetyNet). Hackers keep finding ways around this, but Google keeps trying to lock them out.
Nope. No reason that you should pay $1000 for a device and not, at the very least, be able to install compatible software from other sources.
We wouldn’t accept this from Microsoft. Could you imagine if this was the norm for DOS or Windows?
Should side loading be discouraged and warned about? Yes. Should it be impossible? Maybe through “parental” controls or MDM, but absolutely not out-of-the-box.
This is a sane take, though I personally do generally tend towards understanding and even valuing the walled garden to some degree. But this is what I’ve always felt underneath it, you found the words.
A walled garden without an exit is just a pretty prison.
“I frequently interface with idiots, so I don’t feel it would be safe for you to have full control over the hardware you own.”
There’s a lot of very techy people who’ve never had to do family tech support on this platform.
Yes, the fact that Mum can’t accidentally install a shitty browser toolbar is a feature.
Monopolies and trusts are never beneficial to anyone save those who control them.
I can see benefits of such limitations for say a company-owned devices with cyber-security in mind. When we talk about open market of devices in an increasingly “digital” world I am against limitations with profit in mind. It’s like many things in life. When you want to do or use something you have to learn to use it, often by getting burned or otherwise making a mistake. You having to fix family devices has nothing to do with it. Anyway I have no stake in this, I would never buy an Apple device. Companies pushing for “infinite growth” with such policies will be left in the dust imo, but the billionares will just move on after milking everything dry.
If you care about freedom, use open source operating systems, and only buy hardware that support it.
Epic is a piece of shit company. The only reason they are fighting this fight with Apple is because they want some of Apple’s platform fees for themselves. Period.
The fact that they managed to convince a bunch of simpletons that they are somehow Robin Hood coming to free them from the tyrant (who was actually protecting all those users all along) is laughable. Apple created the platform, Apple managed it, curated it, and controlled it. That gives them the right to profit from it. You might dislike that but — guess what? Nobody forced you to buy it. Buy Android if Fortnight is so important to you. Seriously. Please. We won’t miss you.
Epic thinks they have a right to profit from Apple’s platform and not pay them for all the work they did to get it to be over 1 billion users. That is simply wrong. They should build their own platform and their own App Store and convince 1 billion people to use it. The reason they aren’t doing that is because they know they will never be as successful as Apple has been.
SailFishOS looking real good right now
Wish people cared this much when Epic shutdown the servers for the Unreal Tournament games.
You’re smart enough to know this is nothing like that because you are old enough to have played UT
Doesn’t change that I wish people cared more about when companies shutdown games that they paid for. It cost Epic pennies to keep the master servers running.
That title sounds redundant. “Apple banned fortnite. People are reporting that it’s banned.”
I surmised that people are more than just reporting the ban. They seem to be highlighting the unfair hand of Apple preventing them from doing what they want on their device
