• Pika@sh.itjust.works
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    Furthermore, with the amount of telemetry that those cars have The company knows whether it was in self drive or not when it went onto the track. So the fact that they didn’t go public saying it wasn’t means that it was in self-drive mode and they want to save the PR face and liability.

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      I have a nephew that worked at Tesla as a software engineer for a couple years (he left about a year ago). I gave him the VIN to my Tesla and the amount of data he shared with me was crazy. He warned me that one of my brake lights was regularly logging errors. If their telemetry includes that sort of information then clearly they are logging a LOT of data.

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          Dude, in today’s world we’re lucky if they stop at the manufacturer. I know of a few insurances that have contracts through major dealers and they just automatically get the data that’s registered via the cars systems. That way they can make better decisions regarding people’s car insurance.

          Nowadays it’s a red flag if you join a car insurance and they don’t offer to give you a discount if you put something like drive pass on which logs you’re driving because it probably means that your car is already getting that data to them.

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            We just got back from a road trip in a friend’s '25 Tundra and it popped up a TPMS warning for a faulty sensor then minutes later he got a text from the dealership telling him about it and to bring it in for service.

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      I’ve heard they also like to disengage self-driving mode right before a collision.

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        That actually sounds like a reasonable response. Driving assist means that a human is supposed to be attentive to take control. If the system detects a situation where it’s unable to make a good decision, dumping that decision on the human in control seems like the closest they have to a “fail safe” option. Of course, there should probably also be an understanding that people are stupid and will almost certainly have stopped paying attention a long time ago. So, maybe a “human take the wheel” followed by a “slam the brakes” if no input is detected in 2-3 seconds. While an emergency stop isn’t always the right choice, it probably beats leaving a several ton metal object hurtling along uncontrolled in nearly every circumstance.

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        That sounds a lot more like a rumor to me… it would be extremely suspicious and would leave them open to GIGANTIC liability issues.

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          In the report, the NHTSA spotlights 16 separate crashes, each involving a Tesla vehicle plowing into stopped first responders and highway maintenance vehicles. In the crashes, it claims, records show that the self-driving feature had “aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact”

          https://futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report

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          It’s been well documented. It lets them say in their statistics that the owner was in control of the car during the crash

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          How so? The human in the car is always ultimately responsible when using level 3 driver assists. Tesla does not have level 4/5 self-driving and therefore doesn’t have to assume any liability.

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            This right here is another fault in regulation that eventually will catch up because Especially with level three where it’s primarily the vehicle driving and the driver just gives periodic input It’s not the driver that’s in control most of the time. It’s the vehicle so therefore It should not be the driver at fault

            Honestly, I think everything up to level two should be drivers at fault because those levels require a constant driver’s input. However, level three conditional driving and higher should be considered liability of the company unless the company can prove that the autonomous control, handed control back to the driver in a human-capable manner (i.e Not within the last second like Tesla currently does)