It’s just as much a left-wing echo chamber as Truth Social is a right-wing one - and that’s a problem in both cases. Some might say it’s fine because we’re on the right side of history and they’re not, or something along those lines - but the people on Truth Social think the exact same thing. No one’s views ever change that way.
It’s just as much a left-wing echo chamber as Truth Social is a right-wing one - and that’s a problem in both cases.
Very much so. And it seems to be getting even worse lately. I mostly post socialist and third party stuff, but if I dare say I don’t like a democrat or something, I get automatic “YOU’RE ACTUALLY A TRUMPER!! MAGA-NAZI!!!”
Bans and hateful DM’s. All because I don’t like the 2-party system. lol
I don’t think there is such a thing as a left wing echo chamber. We bicker incessantly. The other day I was making a joke at the expense of the car-brain mentality and someone came at me for ableism.
I’m not mad at them, it’s just illustrative of my point. We don’t take shit from each other, and we take each other to task over jokes. The right will, meanwhile, forgive literal pedophilia, rape, and murder of each other. I’m sure as hell not saying we should, but we will never create an echo chamber as good as they do because of that.
The right wing instances are just defederated from this larger federated group because the people on them were unable to follow the rules of other instances. Repeatedly, they would throw tantrums and create loads of dupe accounts to spam shit when people downvoted their shitty views or their accounts got banned. If they were capable of behaving with civility and following the rules, they’d still be here.
No idea how active that corner of the Lemmyverse is these days, but they have repeatedly chosen to behave in a way that leaves instance administrators with little choice other than defederation.
The solution is to behave with civility online and you don’t get banned. No one needs to break instance rules.
If someone is incapable of doing that, why should they get to participate?
The fact that they happen to predominantly come with right wing view points is, frankly, secondary. It’s literally the bare minimum amount of effort in life to simply not be a nuisance.
I think Lemmy just don’t tolerate that view point. I see plenty of hard leftism being tolerated by mods when they shouldn’t. But hey, none of them are my instance. It’s grossly lopsided.
The two main “hard left” instances have been defederated from LW too (hex and grad)
LML is ostensibly a general instance with a strong left wing slant. So I’m assuming those are the users you’re referring to. Every time I’ve personally seen a LML user step over the line for a given community’s rules, they have been banned for it.
Predominantly though, those users are capable of understanding rules and following them.
That’s literally all anyone needs to do.
It’s not really about political views. It’s simply about not being an asshole.
The right wing instances are just defederated from this larger federated group because the people on them were unable to follow the rules of other instances.
I don’t think it’s just that. I have seen plenty of people say that no conservative content should be allowed on Lemmy. At all.
Go post a conservative article in c/politics and see what happens. Some of the DM’s you’ll get are actually reportable to the FBI. The anti-conservative streak here is extreme. I’ve reported some of the DM’s I get to the police, and I’m not even conservative, but just because I advocate 3-party voting. People on here can be insane.
I’ve seen plenty of pitchforks go after posters. Even when it’s a neutral article that talks about something positive a conservative politician did or said.
There is also a dearth of cannibalistic viewpoints here. And Zoroastrians are woefully underrepresented.
I don’t come here to change my views (though it happens from time to time), and neither do they. I’m not ignorant of their thoughts; I’m inundated with them every day. I don’t need to interact with assholes here. I don’t want to come here and watch people scream back and forth at each other, and I definitely am not interested in participating—there is a reason I’ve left other social media.
You don’t have to subscribe to political communities if you don’t want to see political discussion. But the dearth of genuine political discussion here is a problem for the people who do want it, that can’t be fixed by individual action.
You don’t have to subscribe to political communities if you don’t want to see political discussion.
True but it seems like the majority of Lemmys like attaching anything and everything to something political. I saw some post about a squirrel or something, just chiling in the heat. Supposed to be cute. Immediately devolved into how fat the squirrel looked and how it must be a MAGA squirrel. Then the conversation just devolved into “cheeto man”(stupidist overused Lemmy term ever!) jokes over and over.
Also, Lemmy: why the fuck do you all think saying “cheeto man” is so hilarious? It’s something that 2nd graders would snicker at. Once. And you all say it over and over. WTF?! No wonder you all can’t get girlfriends.
Yeah this is something that has got way worse over time. It used to be that most forums would default to “no politics” and then there were discussion areas set aside for that. And now if you criticise someone for bringing politics into something where it doesn’t belong, you will get angry responses declaring that you’re burying your head in the sand. No, I just don’t want lowest-hanging-fruit political comments on every cat picture.
What is genuine political discussion? How do you moderate it? Who is going to come when it’s moderated? How do you deal with both legitimate and legitimate complaints about biased moderation?
I just don’t think it’s a thing on social media. I think it can happen in private conversations, but as soon as it becomes more about winning an argument or posturing for readers, I think any hope of earnest discourse is lost. The more public a conversation, the worse it is. It’s like trying to argue with a bully in front of their friends. You might be able to reach the humanity in them, but not in that moment.
It used to be, in the early days of mass social media (and it was widespread on forums)
Moderation isn’t easy but it also needn’t be fraught - set standards of civility (strict or loose) and basic rules about hate speech, and let people take themselves out of discussions that are within the rules that they nevertheless don’t like.
It works a lot better in small communities where you talk to the same people - you can ignore people you don’t like and not have the same conversation over and over.
I’d much, much rather be in an echo chamber where BS is questioned and reality is not ignored than a conservative hellscape where basic facts of reality are ignored, like, “tons of CO2 in the atmosphere is totally fine, actually” or, “trans people are corrupting sports!”.
Yea… fuck those at best extremely stupid people and at worst, vitriolic piles of trash.
The real mystery to me is what value the echo-chamber residents get out of it. Why would someone join a group of people they already agree with, just to be told that their opinions are correct, and to shout down any interloper who contradict them? How is that not a boring waste of time? Is it that most people are insecure in their views and need validation, perhaps? It’s a phenomenon I still don’t understand.
People often accuse me of being a troll because I tend to voice views that are unpopular on this platform. Personally, I just don’t see any point in talking about things we all already agree on. I’d much rather try to change the views of those I disagree with - or have them try to change mine.
It’s just as much a left-wing echo chamber as Truth Social is a right-wing one - and that’s a problem in both cases. Some might say it’s fine because we’re on the right side of history and they’re not, or something along those lines - but the people on Truth Social think the exact same thing. No one’s views ever change that way.
Very much so. And it seems to be getting even worse lately. I mostly post socialist and third party stuff, but if I dare say I don’t like a democrat or something, I get automatic “YOU’RE ACTUALLY A TRUMPER!! MAGA-NAZI!!!”
Bans and hateful DM’s. All because I don’t like the 2-party system. lol
I don’t think there is such a thing as a left wing echo chamber. We bicker incessantly. The other day I was making a joke at the expense of the car-brain mentality and someone came at me for ableism.
I’m not mad at them, it’s just illustrative of my point. We don’t take shit from each other, and we take each other to task over jokes. The right will, meanwhile, forgive literal pedophilia, rape, and murder of each other. I’m sure as hell not saying we should, but we will never create an echo chamber as good as they do because of that.
The right wing instances are just defederated from this larger federated group because the people on them were unable to follow the rules of other instances. Repeatedly, they would throw tantrums and create loads of dupe accounts to spam shit when people downvoted their shitty views or their accounts got banned. If they were capable of behaving with civility and following the rules, they’d still be here.
No idea how active that corner of the Lemmyverse is these days, but they have repeatedly chosen to behave in a way that leaves instance administrators with little choice other than defederation.
That’s what happened. It’s not the solution.
The solution is to behave with civility online and you don’t get banned. No one needs to break instance rules.
If someone is incapable of doing that, why should they get to participate?
The fact that they happen to predominantly come with right wing view points is, frankly, secondary. It’s literally the bare minimum amount of effort in life to simply not be a nuisance.
I think Lemmy just don’t tolerate that view point. I see plenty of hard leftism being tolerated by mods when they shouldn’t. But hey, none of them are my instance. It’s grossly lopsided.
The two main “hard left” instances have been defederated from LW too (hex and grad)
LML is ostensibly a general instance with a strong left wing slant. So I’m assuming those are the users you’re referring to. Every time I’ve personally seen a LML user step over the line for a given community’s rules, they have been banned for it.
Predominantly though, those users are capable of understanding rules and following them.
That’s literally all anyone needs to do.
It’s not really about political views. It’s simply about not being an asshole.
I’m definitely not seeing that on the instances I’m following. Ex. Calls for murdering the rich are not okay regardless of how someone feels.
I don’t think it’s just that. I have seen plenty of people say that no conservative content should be allowed on Lemmy. At all.
Go post a conservative article in c/politics and see what happens. Some of the DM’s you’ll get are actually reportable to the FBI. The anti-conservative streak here is extreme. I’ve reported some of the DM’s I get to the police, and I’m not even conservative, but just because I advocate 3-party voting. People on here can be insane.
I’ve seen plenty of pitchforks go after posters. Even when it’s a neutral article that talks about something positive a conservative politician did or said.
There is also a dearth of cannibalistic viewpoints here. And Zoroastrians are woefully underrepresented.
I don’t come here to change my views (though it happens from time to time), and neither do they. I’m not ignorant of their thoughts; I’m inundated with them every day. I don’t need to interact with assholes here. I don’t want to come here and watch people scream back and forth at each other, and I definitely am not interested in participating—there is a reason I’ve left other social media.
Zoroastrians for the win. I never thought I’d see that word mentioned on here!
Saw a documentary on them ages ago and they’ve always stuck with me for some reason.
You don’t have to subscribe to political communities if you don’t want to see political discussion. But the dearth of genuine political discussion here is a problem for the people who do want it, that can’t be fixed by individual action.
True but it seems like the majority of Lemmys like attaching anything and everything to something political. I saw some post about a squirrel or something, just chiling in the heat. Supposed to be cute. Immediately devolved into how fat the squirrel looked and how it must be a MAGA squirrel. Then the conversation just devolved into “cheeto man”(stupidist overused Lemmy term ever!) jokes over and over.
Also, Lemmy: why the fuck do you all think saying “cheeto man” is so hilarious? It’s something that 2nd graders would snicker at. Once. And you all say it over and over. WTF?! No wonder you all can’t get girlfriends.
Yeah this is something that has got way worse over time. It used to be that most forums would default to “no politics” and then there were discussion areas set aside for that. And now if you criticise someone for bringing politics into something where it doesn’t belong, you will get angry responses declaring that you’re burying your head in the sand. No, I just don’t want lowest-hanging-fruit political comments on every cat picture.
What is genuine political discussion? How do you moderate it? Who is going to come when it’s moderated? How do you deal with both legitimate and legitimate complaints about biased moderation?
I just don’t think it’s a thing on social media. I think it can happen in private conversations, but as soon as it becomes more about winning an argument or posturing for readers, I think any hope of earnest discourse is lost. The more public a conversation, the worse it is. It’s like trying to argue with a bully in front of their friends. You might be able to reach the humanity in them, but not in that moment.
It used to be, in the early days of mass social media (and it was widespread on forums)
Moderation isn’t easy but it also needn’t be fraught - set standards of civility (strict or loose) and basic rules about hate speech, and let people take themselves out of discussions that are within the rules that they nevertheless don’t like.
It works a lot better in small communities where you talk to the same people - you can ignore people you don’t like and not have the same conversation over and over.
would you like to tell me which political side is currently putting people in concentration camps and starting a war
I’d much, much rather be in an echo chamber where BS is questioned and reality is not ignored than a conservative hellscape where basic facts of reality are ignored, like, “tons of CO2 in the atmosphere is totally fine, actually” or, “trans people are corrupting sports!”.
Yea… fuck those at best extremely stupid people and at worst, vitriolic piles of trash.
Agreed on all counts.
The real mystery to me is what value the echo-chamber residents get out of it. Why would someone join a group of people they already agree with, just to be told that their opinions are correct, and to shout down any interloper who contradict them? How is that not a boring waste of time? Is it that most people are insecure in their views and need validation, perhaps? It’s a phenomenon I still don’t understand.
People often accuse me of being a troll because I tend to voice views that are unpopular on this platform. Personally, I just don’t see any point in talking about things we all already agree on. I’d much rather try to change the views of those I disagree with - or have them try to change mine.
This exactly where I am on all counts. Stick with it!