Anyone around here have actual experience with ozempic? My dr has actuality suggested it for a potential heart issue, to help clear up the system i guess. But everyone online talks about it like it’s heroine
I’ll bite. I’m on it for what some people here would consider “recreational” purposes (weight loss). However, I have polycystic ovaries and have had extreme difficulty losing weight in other ways. Essentially the only way I can lose weight is doing a pretty severe calorie deficit, which is really hard to do and essentially means I am starving all the time. Ozempic has helped me curb that perpetual feeling of hunger, and besides diarrhea (which I already had often anyway), it hasn’t caused me that many side effects.
Essentially PCOS causes a craving for carbs and sugar. It’s hard to fill that hole, but there are other ways to supplement the things that my body is not creating which make me crave those things. While I’m on ozempic (I don’t plan on using it long-term) I’m also working to make changes to my diet to make sure I’m getting those things I was missing (B12, chromium picolante, some other stuff with scientific names).
And I know people think it’s just “lazy”, which it is for some people, but I struggle to lose weight even with exercise and calorie deficits. Ozempic has helped me lose some, but not as drastic as other people.
I have friends who are on waygovy (the same drug as ozempic but specifically targeted at weight loss) and they’ve had more side effects than me, but they are significantly bigger, have less healthy lifestyles and are I believe on a much higher dose than me. They’ve lost a ton of weight though.
I’m basically at the line of pre diabetic so the doc wants something to jumpstart me off the line, i definitely need to make changes but I would love the help to get going. I tend to intermittent fast but when I do eat it’s junk. Most people don’t get it but it’s akin to any addiction. Most times you don’t realize you’re binging till after, so something that can kill my cravings would be lovely
I haven’t done the type of deep dive research others mention here but I trusted my doctor when he told me this was a good choice for me. I also don’t live in the US so have no reason to believe he’s being paid off. If there are worse consequences than what I’ve discussed with him already, I guess I’ll have to deal with that.
There are also non-medicinal ways to treat binge eating, and I’ve known people that have had good success with therapy/CBT for that, in case that’s something you can afford or are interested in.
My ex is on one of those for blood sugar. She’s not losing weight but she said it made a significant difference controlling her blood sugar.
On the other hand her Dad is also on one of those for blood sugar but he’s never hungry and forgets to eat for days so has lost too much weight. It’s to the point where the doctor said anything he wants, load him up on chips and ice cream if necessary to get him back to a healthy weight
Im like 190lbs and have high blood sugar. I see guys twice my size eating cheeseburgers and they don’t get it. Doctor told me it’s generic for me, but it doesn’t help that I smoke weed and eat all my kids cereal at 1am
My wife has been on wegovy for about 3 months now, which is supposed to be similar. It’s ok, I guess. Still ramping up to the full amount and there was one week of really bad digestion issues, but the rest has been fine. She feels full way quicker, and if you go over that amount, you start to feel nauseous, so you stop. Problem is she hasn’t really done much else to help it. Still eating the same and hasn’t introduced more exercising to help. So far, loss is around 15 lbs, but it’s kind of sitting steady around this for a bit now.
My ex was on it for diabetes, and it caused gastroparesis in him and he ended up hospitalized for 12 days. His digestion has never been the same, and he’s in a class action lawsuit against the makers of Ozempic because it’s a side effect that they didn’t disclose.
But with Ozempic there is some serious long-term shit going on, which is bad, as you basically have to take this stuff forever or bounce back hard faster than you saying “supersize this burger meal”.
Truth is that everyone is an individual and side effects will happen with any drug. He unfortunately, experienced a debilitating one but there are millions who do not experience that. So, it is true, he is unlucky but I have seen so many patients who decide to go ahead because they just don’t believe they will be that small percentage to experience the bad ones.
I think most medications are meant to be accompanied with permanent lifestyle changes where possible. No, you should not take this drug “forever”. If you take ozempic for weight loss but choose to continue eating like shit then it isn’t the drug’s fault. Assuming of course there isn’t some other medical disorder leading to weight gain, but again, balancing the negative health effects of obesity vs any negative effects of weight loss drugs needs to be examined by patient and physician.
If you take ozempic for weight loss but choose to continue eating like shit then it isn’t the drug’s fault.
That’s not how it works. Ozempic simply opresses the hunger feeling, therefor helping you lose weight. Problem is that still existing, but empty/depleted fat cells basically scream “we are hungry”, so as soon as you get off Ozempic, you basically can’t stop eating until you regained at least the former state. That was - for me - the reason not to start on Ozempic, it’s like the “bounce back” effect after a diet, but on steroids. That current research has found other issues (heart problems, ocular nerve damages) just enforced my rejection (I was offered this on a free prescription base).
I think most medications are meant to be accompanied with permanent lifestyle changes where possible. No, you should not take this drug “forever”.
That is a very idealistic view, at least on some medication. With Ozempic, this is basically impossible due to the circumstances written above, with other medications it is simply due to the fact that no “lifestyle changes” can change e.g. genetic defects.
Because weight gain is from not having enough vitamins or a correct balance of vitamins. Taking fat soluble vitamins (esp E&K1&coq10) made me lose weight and exercise more without trying.
You completely ignored the “permanent lifestyle change” aspect. It doesn’t matter whether the person in need of weight loss does it via diet and exercise or via diet and ozempic, the diet/lifestyle that they got themselves fat on has to change.
You’re basically blaming the drug for the person’s inability to psychologically deal with diet. That isn’t what the drug does. No, you don’t need to eat back to your old weight, that’s the part where permanent change to diet comes in.
I already stated a caveat for conditions that may be outside the user’s control, so don’t use that as an excuse for all users. Yet again, the doctor and patient have to discuss the risks. I’m done here.
You’re basically blaming the drug for the person’s inability to psychologically deal with diet.
No, I don’t. I’m just stating facts on how the human body works. With extreme willpower you might be able to counter this for a time, yes. But it will be a serious uphill battle, and the messenger chemicals from the depleted fat cells do not just stop because you will them to. You will just have to live in a state of perpetual raving hunger then. The few who can successfully overcome this for a significant time are rare, indeed.
I’m down 100lbs and been chilling there for a a while actually. (I do bulk/cut cycles of around 30lbs for bodybuilding so my total weight loss fluctuates from like 120lbs to 90lbs depending on how that’s going. Just for disclosure)
But I’ve heard a few people mention this idea that “fat cells stick around forever” and “send hunger signals to fill you back up”. Do we have a scientific source for this?
My other thing with it is like, that’s not the reason someone gets fat the first time right? Because the idea is your fat cells start multiplying after a certain weight? So regardless it still seems important to address that first cause and not repeat it
But for me personally I just haven’t really experienced it at all lol. I’ve found that actually the type of food I eat makes me hungry and more likely to go off track. Like any fast food, most prepackaged snacks and prepared meals from the grocery store.
Like I could eat an 800cal pint of ice cream then have dinner 45 minutes later. But 200 calories of frozen grapes and I’m like, stuffed lol. Or I’ve also noticed if I have a doughnut in the morning (work offers them) I’m hungry all day, but eggs cheese oats and yogurt leave me satisfied to the point where I’m not hungry at all when I get home, and eat just because I know I need the nutrition from dinner.
Anyway sorry for rambling, really I’m just curious to get to the bottom of the “depleted fat cell” thing. I had never heard of it the entire time I was losing weight/maintaining then all of the sudden I’m hearing it pop up in lots of places, even lemmy now
That’s from people losing weight on their normal diet because of Ozempic, but never changing their diet for their new lower weight selves, so naturally they immediately gain it back.
No, it is just the way this drug works. You take Ozempic, it supresses your hunger feeling, and you automatically change your diet as you are not as hungry anymore.
Problem is that the depleted fat cells still exist, and a depleted fat cell releases signals that scream “I’m hungry! Feed me!”, and the more they are depleted, the louder the call. While you take Ozempic, this is supressed, but as soon as you get off it, your body demands food to re-fill the depleted cells, and will not stopping before it has reached at least the former status quo.
Just like the bounce back effect after a diet, only worse.
I’ve seen several successes and I wouldn’t believe every story you hear in these forums. The data shows it’s relatively safe with minimal serious secondary effects. That doesn’t mean nothing to manage at all. Just like statins for cholesterol.
Ozempic and variants are also considered short term. They essentially short circuit the desire for vices, but are only effective for about a year. You either relearn your habits or you’ll eventually revert. If you are in ozempic for 2 years on weight loss you’ve likely ignored your doctor.
I’ve been on tirzepatide for maybe three months at this point. I highly recommend it. I think the risks are massively overblown. It’s predictable fear-mongering that is simply an understandable reaction to how greedy the pharma companies are with their pricing on it. If you can’t afford it, it’s tempting to convince yourself it would be a bad thing to take it anyway.
I can’t afford it, but instead of spreading FUD about it, I found a third way. I just pirate the shit out of it! I’m not just taking tirz, I’m taking bootleg tirz! So far I’ve dropped from about 180 to 150.
I’m on Mounjaro for diabetes, have lost 35 pounds in two months. It’s a tool, with potential side effects, but for me it has been a huge jump-start for a lot of neglected health issues and overall energy levels.
Anyone around here have actual experience with ozempic? My dr has actuality suggested it for a potential heart issue, to help clear up the system i guess. But everyone online talks about it like it’s heroine
I’ll bite. I’m on it for what some people here would consider “recreational” purposes (weight loss). However, I have polycystic ovaries and have had extreme difficulty losing weight in other ways. Essentially the only way I can lose weight is doing a pretty severe calorie deficit, which is really hard to do and essentially means I am starving all the time. Ozempic has helped me curb that perpetual feeling of hunger, and besides diarrhea (which I already had often anyway), it hasn’t caused me that many side effects.
Essentially PCOS causes a craving for carbs and sugar. It’s hard to fill that hole, but there are other ways to supplement the things that my body is not creating which make me crave those things. While I’m on ozempic (I don’t plan on using it long-term) I’m also working to make changes to my diet to make sure I’m getting those things I was missing (B12, chromium picolante, some other stuff with scientific names).
And I know people think it’s just “lazy”, which it is for some people, but I struggle to lose weight even with exercise and calorie deficits. Ozempic has helped me lose some, but not as drastic as other people.
I have friends who are on waygovy (the same drug as ozempic but specifically targeted at weight loss) and they’ve had more side effects than me, but they are significantly bigger, have less healthy lifestyles and are I believe on a much higher dose than me. They’ve lost a ton of weight though.
I’m basically at the line of pre diabetic so the doc wants something to jumpstart me off the line, i definitely need to make changes but I would love the help to get going. I tend to intermittent fast but when I do eat it’s junk. Most people don’t get it but it’s akin to any addiction. Most times you don’t realize you’re binging till after, so something that can kill my cravings would be lovely
I haven’t done the type of deep dive research others mention here but I trusted my doctor when he told me this was a good choice for me. I also don’t live in the US so have no reason to believe he’s being paid off. If there are worse consequences than what I’ve discussed with him already, I guess I’ll have to deal with that.
There are also non-medicinal ways to treat binge eating, and I’ve known people that have had good success with therapy/CBT for that, in case that’s something you can afford or are interested in.
My ex is on one of those for blood sugar. She’s not losing weight but she said it made a significant difference controlling her blood sugar.
On the other hand her Dad is also on one of those for blood sugar but he’s never hungry and forgets to eat for days so has lost too much weight. It’s to the point where the doctor said anything he wants, load him up on chips and ice cream if necessary to get him back to a healthy weight
Im like 190lbs and have high blood sugar. I see guys twice my size eating cheeseburgers and they don’t get it. Doctor told me it’s generic for me, but it doesn’t help that I smoke weed and eat all my kids cereal at 1am
My wife has been on wegovy for about 3 months now, which is supposed to be similar. It’s ok, I guess. Still ramping up to the full amount and there was one week of really bad digestion issues, but the rest has been fine. She feels full way quicker, and if you go over that amount, you start to feel nauseous, so you stop. Problem is she hasn’t really done much else to help it. Still eating the same and hasn’t introduced more exercising to help. So far, loss is around 15 lbs, but it’s kind of sitting steady around this for a bit now.
Try to get her to eat vitamin k1 and/or k2 if you can. It will help her feel like exercising and moving more
Thanks, I’ll use that for my own knowledge!
Sure or let her know. That’s like cheese, yogurt, eggs, dark leafy greens (best source), or natto if she can handle it haha.
My ex was on it for diabetes, and it caused gastroparesis in him and he ended up hospitalized for 12 days. His digestion has never been the same, and he’s in a class action lawsuit against the makers of Ozempic because it’s a side effect that they didn’t disclose.
Before going on Ozempic, read up on current medical research (not Facebook or such shit). They discovered some not-so-good long term effects recently.
Like many medications, you are balancing the risks of continuing with an unmedicated health problem or any negative side effects of the medication.
But with Ozempic there is some serious long-term shit going on, which is bad, as you basically have to take this stuff forever or bounce back hard faster than you saying “supersize this burger meal”.
It hospitalized my ex for 12 days. The side effects are real. He’s in a class action suit against the company.
Truth is that everyone is an individual and side effects will happen with any drug. He unfortunately, experienced a debilitating one but there are millions who do not experience that. So, it is true, he is unlucky but I have seen so many patients who decide to go ahead because they just don’t believe they will be that small percentage to experience the bad ones.
It actually is more complex than that and the makers of Ozempic didn’t disclose this side effect.
https://www.med.ubc.ca/news/weight-loss-drugs-linked-to-stomach-paralysis-other-serious-gastrointestinal-conditions/
I think most medications are meant to be accompanied with permanent lifestyle changes where possible. No, you should not take this drug “forever”. If you take ozempic for weight loss but choose to continue eating like shit then it isn’t the drug’s fault. Assuming of course there isn’t some other medical disorder leading to weight gain, but again, balancing the negative health effects of obesity vs any negative effects of weight loss drugs needs to be examined by patient and physician.
That’s not how it works. Ozempic simply opresses the hunger feeling, therefor helping you lose weight. Problem is that still existing, but empty/depleted fat cells basically scream “we are hungry”, so as soon as you get off Ozempic, you basically can’t stop eating until you regained at least the former state. That was - for me - the reason not to start on Ozempic, it’s like the “bounce back” effect after a diet, but on steroids. That current research has found other issues (heart problems, ocular nerve damages) just enforced my rejection (I was offered this on a free prescription base).
That is a very idealistic view, at least on some medication. With Ozempic, this is basically impossible due to the circumstances written above, with other medications it is simply due to the fact that no “lifestyle changes” can change e.g. genetic defects.
Because weight gain is from not having enough vitamins or a correct balance of vitamins. Taking fat soluble vitamins (esp E&K1&coq10) made me lose weight and exercise more without trying.
You completely ignored the “permanent lifestyle change” aspect. It doesn’t matter whether the person in need of weight loss does it via diet and exercise or via diet and ozempic, the diet/lifestyle that they got themselves fat on has to change.
You’re basically blaming the drug for the person’s inability to psychologically deal with diet. That isn’t what the drug does. No, you don’t need to eat back to your old weight, that’s the part where permanent change to diet comes in.
I already stated a caveat for conditions that may be outside the user’s control, so don’t use that as an excuse for all users. Yet again, the doctor and patient have to discuss the risks. I’m done here.
No, I don’t. I’m just stating facts on how the human body works. With extreme willpower you might be able to counter this for a time, yes. But it will be a serious uphill battle, and the messenger chemicals from the depleted fat cells do not just stop because you will them to. You will just have to live in a state of perpetual raving hunger then. The few who can successfully overcome this for a significant time are rare, indeed.
I’m down 100lbs and been chilling there for a a while actually. (I do bulk/cut cycles of around 30lbs for bodybuilding so my total weight loss fluctuates from like 120lbs to 90lbs depending on how that’s going. Just for disclosure)
But I’ve heard a few people mention this idea that “fat cells stick around forever” and “send hunger signals to fill you back up”. Do we have a scientific source for this?
My other thing with it is like, that’s not the reason someone gets fat the first time right? Because the idea is your fat cells start multiplying after a certain weight? So regardless it still seems important to address that first cause and not repeat it
But for me personally I just haven’t really experienced it at all lol. I’ve found that actually the type of food I eat makes me hungry and more likely to go off track. Like any fast food, most prepackaged snacks and prepared meals from the grocery store.
Like I could eat an 800cal pint of ice cream then have dinner 45 minutes later. But 200 calories of frozen grapes and I’m like, stuffed lol. Or I’ve also noticed if I have a doughnut in the morning (work offers them) I’m hungry all day, but eggs cheese oats and yogurt leave me satisfied to the point where I’m not hungry at all when I get home, and eat just because I know I need the nutrition from dinner.
Anyway sorry for rambling, really I’m just curious to get to the bottom of the “depleted fat cell” thing. I had never heard of it the entire time I was losing weight/maintaining then all of the sudden I’m hearing it pop up in lots of places, even lemmy now
That’s… Not a side effect.
That’s from people losing weight on their normal diet because of Ozempic, but never changing their diet for their new lower weight selves, so naturally they immediately gain it back.
No, it is just the way this drug works. You take Ozempic, it supresses your hunger feeling, and you automatically change your diet as you are not as hungry anymore.
Problem is that the depleted fat cells still exist, and a depleted fat cell releases signals that scream “I’m hungry! Feed me!”, and the more they are depleted, the louder the call. While you take Ozempic, this is supressed, but as soon as you get off it, your body demands food to re-fill the depleted cells, and will not stopping before it has reached at least the former status quo.
Just like the bounce back effect after a diet, only worse.
I’ve seen several successes and I wouldn’t believe every story you hear in these forums. The data shows it’s relatively safe with minimal serious secondary effects. That doesn’t mean nothing to manage at all. Just like statins for cholesterol.
Ozempic and variants are also considered short term. They essentially short circuit the desire for vices, but are only effective for about a year. You either relearn your habits or you’ll eventually revert. If you are in ozempic for 2 years on weight loss you’ve likely ignored your doctor.
I’ve been on tirzepatide for maybe three months at this point. I highly recommend it. I think the risks are massively overblown. It’s predictable fear-mongering that is simply an understandable reaction to how greedy the pharma companies are with their pricing on it. If you can’t afford it, it’s tempting to convince yourself it would be a bad thing to take it anyway.
I can’t afford it, but instead of spreading FUD about it, I found a third way. I just pirate the shit out of it! I’m not just taking tirz, I’m taking bootleg tirz! So far I’ve dropped from about 180 to 150.
I’m on Mounjaro for diabetes, have lost 35 pounds in two months. It’s a tool, with potential side effects, but for me it has been a huge jump-start for a lot of neglected health issues and overall energy levels.
I remember seeing this video where someone tearfully explained they got osteoporosis from being on it for a year.