A robot trained on videos of surgeries performed a lengthy phase of a gallbladder removal without human help. The robot operated for the first time on a lifelike patient, and during the operation, responded to and learned from voice commands from the team—like a novice surgeon working with a mentor.
The robot performed unflappably across trials and with the expertise of a skilled human surgeon, even during unexpected scenarios typical in real life medical emergencies.
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know what? let’s just skip the middleman and have the CEO undergo the same operation. you know like the taser company that tasers their employees.
can’t have trust in a product unless you use the product.
I understand what you are saying is intended as „if they trust their product they should use it themselves“ and I agree with that
I do think that undergoing an operation that a person doesnt need isnt ethical however
who said they won’t need it 😐
TASER uses their products on their employees? Lol that’s wild
you don’t know the half of it.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/axon-taser-exposures/
Shawn Gorman, a lawyer who worked at Axon until 2019, said the company had a high-pressure culture of loyalty, unlike anything he has seen in nearly two decades of practice.
“It was truly toxic,” he said.
this is an employee and her mother getting tased at one of these events.
Hey boss ready for your unnecessary heart transplant just to please some random guy on the internet?
Yeah so let’s get this done I’ve got a meeting in 2 hours.
Nah, just a thorough reproduction of the consequences of that wrong.
Inb4 someone added Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Saw to the training data.
Then it’s all Inner Space and invented nanobots. So you win some, you lose some.
without human help
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responded to and learned from voice commands from the team
🤨🤔
They should have specified “without physical human help.”
You underestimate the demands on a surgeon’s body to perform surgery. This makes it much less prone to tiredness, mistakes, or even if the surgeon is physically incapable in any way of continuing life saving surgery
That’s absolutely not the point. I was criticizing the journalism, not technology. 🙄
Not fair. A robot can watch videos and perform surgery but when I do it I’m called a “monster” and “quack”.
But seriously, this robot surgeon still needs a surgeon to chaperone so what’s being gained or saved? It’s just surgery with extra steps. This has the same execution as RoboTaxis (which also have a human onboard for emergencies) and those things are rightly being called a nightmare. What separates this from that?
It can’t sneeze
Human flaw. A surgeon doesnt require steady hands. So if they were in any way damaged they could still continue being a surgeon.
thank you for removing my gallbladder robot, but i had a brain tumor
So are we fully abandoning reason based robots?
Is the future gonna just be things that guess but just keep getting better at guessing?
I’m disappointed in the future.
reason based robots
What’s that?
Reasoning is just informed guessing.
And that’s all for analyzing statements. You can’t just do that to some words and discover objective truth out of nowhere, so I’m not sure what you think you’re accomplishing here. What you’re linking is more analogous to the code that underlies an AI(if/while loops and whatnot). Reasoning is closer to the scientific method of forming a hypothesis and whatnot than anything you linked.
You basically just pointed out that there’s a math system for logic. Neat.
That’s all people are too, though.
so this helps with costs right? right? 🥺🤔🤨
It helps the capitalists’ profit margins 😊😊😊
I know, I’m over here trying to light little fires LoL JK but yeah for sure never see reduced costs
Oh I get it, trust. I’m sure we’re both equally mad about it lol
AI and robotics are coming for the highest paid jobs first. The attack on education is much more sinister than you think. We are approaching an era where many thinking and high cost labor fields will be eliminated. This attack on education is because the plan is to replace it all with AI.
It is pretty sickening really to think of a world where your AI teacher supplied by Zombie Twitter will teach history lessons to young pupils about whether or not the Holocaust is real. I am not making this shit up.
This is no longer about wars against nations. This has become the war for the human mind and billionaires just found the cheat code.
you could not pay me enough to have my surgery done by a robot
If it were the only option, I’d gladly take it.
I rely on robots to do a lot of other things in my life, directly and indirectly.
Well, not many directly. But machines, definitely.
Yeah it’s not like I refuse to drive my car because it wasn’t handcrafted by a human.
It is an electrical fault on four wheels, but that’s just because it’s old.
They obviously don’t feel comfortable with the robot doing surgery on humans just yet either which is why they’re not actually suggesting doing that yet. It will have to go through years and years of certification before that’s even considered.
I’m sure most surgeries will still be conducted by humans but there are situations where one of these would be extremely helpful. Any situation where a surgeon isn’t currently accessible and can’t quickly get there. Remote communities, Disaster relief, Arctic research facilities, Starships trapped in the Delta quadrant, War zones, Ships at sea.
Do you think a 5 bed hospital will have the money to afford a robotic surgeon?
You assume an Antarctic research facility lacks funds?
Naturally as this kind of thing moves into use on actual people it will be used on the wealthiest and most connected among us in equal measure to us lowly plebs right…right?
Are you kidding!? It’ll be rolled out to poor people first! (gotta iron out the last of the bugs somehow)
You really don’t understand modern medical bullshit. The rich will be all over this, just like AI, Just like NFTs just like every bullshit thing that comes up they get roped into by a flashy salesman
Oh yeah, I’ve been successfully propagandized into thinking rich people became rich through merit, I forgot how many of them are complete morons XD
Thanks for reminding me
Maybe we could install a murder mode switch.
Perhaps an algorithm where its effectiveness is inversely proportionate to your bank account.
“OMG it was supposed to take out my LEFT kidney! I’m gonna die!!!”
“Oops, the surgeon in the training video took out a Right kidney. Uhh… sorry.”
so theoretically they could make sex bots and train them on… so they perform ‘unflappably’!
My son’s surgeon told me about the evolution of one particular cardiac procedure. Most of the “good” doctors were laying many stitches in a tight fashion while the “lazy” doctors laid down fewer stitches a bit looser. Turns out that the patients of the “lazy” doctors had a better recovery rate so now that’s the standard procedure.
Sometimes divergent behaviors can actually lead to better behavior. An AI surgeon that is “lazy” probably wouldn’t exist and engineers would probably stamp out that behavior before it even got to the OR.
That’s just one case of professional laziness in an entire ocean of medical horror stories caused by the same.
Or more likely they weren’t actually being lazy, they knew they needed to leave room for swelling and healing. The surgeons that did tight stitches thought theirs was better because it looked better immediately after the surgery.
Surgeons are actually pretty well known for being arrogant, and claiming anyone who doesn’t do their neat and tight stitching is lazy is completely on brand for people like that.
Eliminating room for error, not to say AI is flawless but that is the goal in most cases, is a good way to never learn anything new. I don’t completely dislike this idea but I’m sure it will be driven towards cutting costs, not saving lives.
That’s ridiculous. Everyone knows that for a robot to perform an operation like this safely, it needs human-written code and a LiDAR.
See the part that I dont like is that this is a learning algorithm trained on videos of surgeries.
That’s such a fucking stupid idea. Thats literally so much worse than letting surgeons use robot arms to do surgeries as your primary source of data and making fine tuned adjustments based on visual data in addition to other electromagnetic readings
Yeah but the training set of videos is probably infinitely larger, and the thing about AI is that if the training set is too small they don’t really work at all. Once you get above a certain data set size they start to become competent.
After all I assume the people doing this research have already considered that. I doubt they’re reading your comment right now and slapping their foreheads and going damn this random guy on the internet is right, he’s so much more intelligent than us scientists.
Theres no evidence they will ever reach quality output with infinite data, either. In that case, quality matters.
No we don’t know. We are not AI researchers after all. Nonetheless I’m more inclined to defer to experts then you. No offence, (I mean there is some offence, because this is a stupid conversation) but you have no qualifications.
It’s less of an unknown and more of a “it has never demonstrated any such capability.”
Btw both OpenAI and Deepmind wrote papers proving their then models would never approach human error rate with infinite training. It correctly predicted performance of ChatGPT4.
If we go by that logic, some worker from your supermarket should be able to do surgeries
Doctors have to learns this much so they can handle most really unusual stuff, not because they have to know this for a standard surgery.
It does until it doesn’t
