I know it never could or would work, but every so often I wish there was some imaginary huge tract of land that nobody had owned before…and I guess somehow didn’t affect the environment for all the assholes that want to play power games or pretend they could rule the world or just live lawlessly so they could be silo’ed off from society. Of course it would fall apart, innocent people would somehow end up in there. They’d probably end up attacking the rest of the world and I’m sure a myriad of other terrible problems. But man that’d be nice.
Yes. Somalia has 1,900 miles of coastline, a government that knows its place, and all the guns and wives you can afford to buy. Why have I never heard of this paradise before?
-Pierce Hawthorne
That was essentially why the US was founded.
But alas we were also assholes the whole time…
The ‘freedom’ they want only extends to having the freedom to do what they want regardless of how it impacts anybody else.
The vast majority of these people don’t want isolation. They need other people to exploit. Edit - or they want the freedom to exploit other natural resources (no doubt they see humans as a natural resource to be exploited) regardless of the impacts on other people, now or in the future.
What a bunch of selfish twats!
Have you heard about what happened when libertarians took over Grafton, NH?
Ha that was a fascinating read. I guess bears are libertarian as well!
Pink Floyd - The Fletcher Memorial Home: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDzR2zSgsM
Huh I’ve never seen this!
Honestly I’m more wishing the opposite was possible. Imagine a utopia to test out, UBI, communism etc… somewhere that capitalists aren’t going to sabatoge and declare war on it while it’s in it’s infancy.
Danish countries.
And…huh, it works.
You might be interested in the history of Kowloon Walled City after WW2
As a result of the absence of any widely recognized bureaucracy, the city’s residents and businesses had no municipal codes to govern them. Enabled by the enclave’s anarchic nature, trade in banned products thrived, ranging from narcotics to dog meat. From the 1950s to the 1970s, it was controlled by local triad gangs and had high rates of prostitution, gambling, and drug abuse.
Yea that place sounds nuts. My mom was for a time from Kowloon, not the walled city but I’m guessing around the same time it operated which is wild to imagine.
*See Australia, Taiwan, U.S.A., Japan
Society used to exile people, send them to penal colonies or some people that felt ostracized packed up and left Society. Where? To some of the grea open uninhabited or not so habitatated lands. Taking U.S.A. as an example, there where religious extremists who became unwelcome in Britain, so they left to a place they could practice thier beliefs without competition, America.
Every Society worked better because you didn’t need to imprison or kill people that where criminals and people that where ostracized somewhat had the option of making thier own land. Now every single piece of land is claimed there is nowhere to exile people and no where to just run to.
And see how that worked out
There is still Antarctica
Fair, can we start a Make Antarctica Great Agian and encourage some people to move to a “greener” pasture?
Are you talking about Rapture from BioShock?
How about a boat in international waters?
I thought you said Autozone and I was excited that someone else was also enthusiastic about a do-it-yourself auto repair shop
Fuck it, I’ll take an autonomous AutoZone!
You might want to read Neuromancer to find out why that’s a terrible idea. If it’s in a cyberpunk world, it’s almost assuredly a giant red flag the author is waving.
To be clear, I don’t want to go to this autonomous zone. I want others to go do their weird shit there ha. But yea I’ll have to read Neuromancer, have heard it’s a good read.
It’s not about living there. The zone still allows for the rich and powerful to exploit people and profit immensely off of it. The world would be no prettier because your autonomous zone; that area would just be filthier.
And thus why this zone is imaginary and would never work and I say it would have terrible problems. I fully accept reality and don’t want this to actually exist. This shower thought was not based in reality yet it seems I wasn’t clear about that.
I think I should clarify that I have no interest in participating in this zone. The reality is we live in a world of monsters and I unrealistically wish there was somewhere else they could go and do their evil and leave us be.
Are we just Curtis Yarvin-posting now?
No I hate that guy. I don’t want any part of this, I want the Yarvins to fuck off somewhere else
“Walkaways” is a good piece of fiction about this
Ooh interesting. Is it by Cory Doctorow?
I misread. Walkaways is about autonomous communities apart from capitalist society. They walk away from it. But the dangerous stuff isn’t part of the book. But it is a very good book.
Yes it is by Doctorow.
Walkaway by Cory Doctorow on the free libby app available from public libraries
