Why is the UK such a hell hole all the sudden? I’ve never had such a terrible opinion of the place until now with encryption and authoritarian fuckwitism against the last bastion of real democracy on the internet.
They over there looking at America being the absolute fuck up it is and are jealous.
To be fair, they were the OGs of a prosperous stable country spontaneously shooting themselves in the head because someone convinced them they could be doing SOOO much better aaaannd it’s gone…
Haha, good point! Us ‘muricans are just posers. :p
Tony Blair thought that the Labour Party would win if it were more like the US Democratic Party. That began an electorally successful period of unprincipled triangulation and petty authoritarianism. Eventually that momentum fizzled out due to the gloomy paranoid leadership of Gordon Brown, corruption of people like Peter Mandelson, and the loathsome hypocrisy of Blair’s lies in support of GW Bush’s second Gulf War.
Then the Conservatives got in for 14 years and fucked everything up even worse. Now the Blairite authoritarian-centrist faction is again running Labour, and so far has shown none of the political cunning that kept Blair on top. And the media fawns over the smarmy mini-Trump Nigel Farage despite his party having no policies.
You should watch some Adam Curtis documentaries to get perspective on the UK.
Don’t forget transphobia. They seem to have suddenly decided that’s a good idea in the last 3 years.
It’s always been a bit like this, actually
Yep. Politicians creating tech policy on the fly without consulting people who actually know what they are talking about.
More referring to the technofascism
sometimes the french are right. the brits are indeed cunts.
so seriously, this i brilliantly evil. this is the way that will allow some police state level of oversight for both social media, chats, and even vpn data will be tied to your personal file. this is so dark in every possible way. any site can be labelled porn or harmful at this point. even wikipedia. how dare the young browse the open truth of the internet? and this is already the second phase, mind police.
knowingly leaking everyones medical information, fucking surveillance camerason every corner… my opinion didn’t meaningfully change by these, they are being a hell hole for a longer time
I don’t know if it’s the root reason, but one gets scoffed at harshly by the average Tom, Dick, and Harry when suggesting that a Monarchy is an archaic and, frankly, insulting form of governance in spite of protestations that the role of the sovereign is purely ceremonial.
Simply put, they (mostly) seem to prefer political masochism, and are ruled by sadists. Sadly, in 2025, aren’t we all?
Turns out Liberals are Fascists.
Uhh no… Idiots are fascists. Some idiots may call themselves liberal but that doesn’t make it so. Liberals by definition cannot be fascist. The idiots are those that let fascists parade as anything but.
Strange how every Liberal does the things Fascists do. They must not understand Liberalism like you do.
There is no amount of blocking the Internet that will safeguard the children effectively. The real solution is this:
seems like a great way to train for hands free orgasms.
Wet dreams happen no matter what you can do at puberty.
They would definiyely want to employ that, if this bullshit actually had anything to do with protecting children.
I fucking hate the UK, so much.
The MPs and Peers only fucking learnt about VPNs when this bullshit bill was being passed. They’re so fucking clueless about the whole thing. They don’t understand what a VPN exactly is and what it does and the fact their own government (hopefully) uses them, as do Banks (for security), Companies, and indeed, how it works.
This will lead to more bullshit.
Wrote a email to my MP for this exact reason.
The OSA needs repealing. All it’s doing is either teaching people to follow poor digital hygiene practices, or forcing people to follow more risky methods of bypassing the OSA controls.
Whole guise of child safety is laughable when they’ve made zero attempts to educate everyone (not just kids) on being safe online.
They are not the first country to ban vpns, those bans usually target 95% of individuals who are bad at tech not encrypted communications as a whole. Though I can see Britain ignoring that experience and just shooting itself in the face.
As is tradition.
Shithole country doing shithole things. The UK is acting like a red state, and their standard of living is dropping accordingly.
I’d argue that causation may be the other way around.
It’s recursive
You can just mail cash to mullvad and include a code that links it to your account.
I wonder how they figure that’s going to work out.
I couldn’t imagine being this pants-shittingly stupid about how the internet works.
This is how you get under-18s to use Tor browser
Until the go government starts blocking entry nodes, then there will be a whole new country relying on the snowflake protocol.
Also, this doesn’t affect only people under 18, any sane adult should never send a copy of their id to anything but the government, bank, insurance or employer.
a whole new country relying on the snowflake protocol.
That would put them in the company of China, Russia, and Iran. Getting unrestricted Internet to people in those countries is why I am among those who run a snowflake node on a dedicated VPS (the link also has a simple browser addon – it’s easy to support the network, everyone should)
Yes, these moves suck for UK youth. But, anti-censorship tools do exist, and volunteers like me want people who could benefit from them, to know about & use them.
any sane adult should never send a copy of their id to anything but the government, bank, insurance or employer.
100% agree, take my upvote
Does Snowflake still work in China? Thought I read they’re now able to detect and block it.
Yeah, the newer thing to counter that is WebTunnel which came out last year. There’s considerably more setup than just starting a snowflake proxy process, and I am ashamed to say I haven’t set one up yet
Just out of curiosity how does one connect to the snowflake in the event that normal Tor does not work? (in minecraft)
In general real-time games are not great for Tor, because it introduces lots of network latency – which makes you safer
For most applications, the easiest way to Torify is via using SOCKS from the Tor Browser Bundle, which would let you simply pick Snowflake when Tor Browser starts up. I asked Perplexity for directions on running Minecraft over Tor, here ya go
If they block entry nodes, just build an entry node. They can’t block stuff inside your own network.
Ofc they can, but they don’t need to, they just seize the server and jail the operator.
Don’t tell them you can buy a vps and run your own vpn in another country.
Accessing the internet now requires age verification. Gg
They probably know and don’t care because more than 99.99% won’t do it.
Shh, dont tell him lobotomies became mandatory on birth since Gen Z, and there are only few who still know how this magical phone they are using every day works, let alone know what an IP address is
To the people of the UK:
What the hell is this authoritarian, pearl clutching shit? You’re fucking shit up for everyone. Can you get your people to please fuck off?
Thanks, from some guy on the Internet.
VPN company: “Don’t care, not in the UK, fuck off.”
Next step would be requiring UK ISPs to block traffic to the VPNs. They’ve already made it so you can’t go to some sites based on DNS lookups, so there’s precedent. Making it by IP address from a continuously-updated list would make it exceedingly difficult for regular users to access a public VPN, and while making one yourself from a VPS is straightforward, it can get expensive very quickly if you want to watch videos or download lots of stuff through it.
UK has a massive budget problem and they still keep increasing expenditure on surveillance. That social value is negative at this point as its taking money away from critical services. Well done to the Government continuing the worsen debt, health, and wellbeing of the population. A terrorist will kill 5-10 people, failure to protect the health & well being of population (who needs a roof over their head) it just pales in comparison.
UK has a massive federal budget problem…
The UK isn’t a Federal Country. It’s a Unitary state with Devolution. I know it is basically a Federal state in Practice (Holyrood, Cardiff Bay and Stormont all have varying amounts of autonomy) but the distinction is significant.
and they still keep increasing expenditure on surveillance.
This is the fucked up bit though: The OSA doesn’t put the burden of Age gates on the State. They put it on The Service Provider (Websites and services). This is why so many non-porn forums, lemmy instances, and mastodon instances have either had to shut down or geoblock the UK, all the responsibility is on them to institute this lest they get sued out the arse. They can’t afford to get YOTI or whatever, or don’t have the manpower or money to institute their own system, so they shut down.
It’s also why overblocking is a thing: because the OSA’s official defination of what should be blocked is so vague so the two people who decide what get’s blocked are the Service Provider and the Government effectively in that order. This is why Reddit is blocking things that should not be agegated (like support groups), because the law is so fucking vague, and why sites like Twitter are blocking tweets that don’t need to be blocked under the “news” exception (yes, there is an exception for the news).
All of this, by the way, is because an investment trust and thinktank (yes, a lovely little conflict of interest) called Carnegie United Kingdom Trust pretty much wrote the OSA for the government. As an investment trust, they invest money in things, but being private, they don’t need to tell Joe Public what they invest in, nor to the Investees need to tell us. So basically, they invested in YOTI or some others like it, and are making money from it because so many sites are forced to have it to work in the UK.
And all the other major tech players (Alphabet, Meta, Microsoft) are developing “Digital ID” systems as a “solution” which will not only make it easier to track people for them and the government, but also for advertisers, so they aren’t complaining either.
TL;DR, The UK basically put all the pressure on the Websites so their friends can make loads of money.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this shit starts pushing Scotland to want to be its own country again.
Oh my sweet summer child:
- Pretty much everything that’s happened since 2014 (Brexit, the erosion of Scotland’s autonomy, the nixing of the GRA, The Covid Response, Liz Truss) has pushed Scotland toward Independence. This isn’t even that big a push for us.
- The investment firm/think tank who basically wrote this bill, Carnegie United Kingdom Trust, IS HEAD-QUARTERED IN FUCKIN’ DUNFERMLINE.
Thanks for the info. Now I know.
All of this, by the way, is because an investment trust and thinktank (yes, a lovely little conflict of interest) called Carnegie United Kingdom Trust pretty much wrote the OSA for the government. As an investment trust, they invest money in things, but being private, they don’t need to tell Joe Public what they invest in, nor to the Investees need to tell us. So basically, they invested in YOTI or some others like it, and are making money from it because so many sites are forced to have it to work in the UK.
Can you link more information about this conflict of interest? I can’t find anything about it.
I got around to watching this video… without having seen this guy before (and therefore having no reason to take what he says at face value), and with the “source” in his description being almost unrelated to the video content, all that’s left is that “Yoti is funded by trusts, Carnegie is a trust mentioned on Yoti’s website.”
That is conspiracy-theory level. The author doesn’t even go so far as to draw actual conclusions; he’s saying “we need to follow the money” which is reasonable, but you are saying “Carnegie invested in an age verifier and that’s why they wrote the law.” That’s going well beyond the facts. You wouldn’t stand for it when some moron tries to cast doubt on climate science and you shouldn’t stand for it now just because it tickles your biases.
Some of that money probably went to companies doing ID verification
Quite possibly. But almost certainly a lot of Carnegie’s money is going to companies who provide online services who now have much higher costs from doing age verification, content blocking and users fleeing, simply because there are a lot of companies in that position.
Just a fun fact about “think tanks”, “institutes”, “foundations” and most of those little groups is that when they appear in the news there’s a solid chance that they’re being propped up by corpo money. Every time they appear you need to go double check their bias and you’ll often find that it will be they themselves saying they’re “a conservative think tank” and, if not that, there will likely be a Wikipedia article and a bunch of other sources confirming it. I’m sure there are good ones, but it’s largely just oil companies and banks and big tech funding some corrupt as hell “academics” in order to buy some credibility.
I loved when I got into with one person over climate change and all they could do was send me articles that use oil-backed think tanks and which quoted a climate scientist who’s such a huge liar that whole webpages exist to organize and debunk all his paid-for bullshit.
How these taxes are applied either reimbursed, taxed directly, or passed on: its still is a tax burden increasing the cost of living. This and previous Government’s have only further worsened the problem. The police state reduces life expectancy.
It’s not a tax burden because it’s not any kind of tax. It’s a cost of doing business, like the cost of keeping and filing accounts. Imposing an additional cost on services which are by-and-large ad-funded/freemium does not have nearly the same effects as funding something out of the treasury.
It very much is.
Doesn’t matter who or how its recovered. Its still a state mandated cost, aka indirect tax.
Every single piece of legislation costs the population. They all add a million cuts to the costs of living. In times of economic crisis these costs need to come down not up.
Edit: addressing the ad revenue stream. Again irrelevant. The ad revenue stream is reduced, some platforms are talking about charging UK users the outcome is the same. Maybe some pull out of the UK or force more ads into the freemium services costing time.
The requirement to file accounts is not a tax. Call things what they are, not whatever you’ve decided they’re similar to in your mind. To do is either confusing or dishonest, depending on whether people ultimately see through what you’re doing or not.
Opposition to this on the basis of finances requires you to actually have some idea of the fiscal outcome. If the number of British children who end up bypassing the rules and viewing genuinely harmful material is small then it will result in lower costs from children traumatised, mentally ill or killing themselves.
I oppose the act because of incalculable costs to privacy, not because it might mean Facebook has to display 10 more ads to someone to maintain their profit margins.
Call things what they are, not a tax.
You should practice it.
Levy is a Tax.
opposition requires
Absolute bollocks. Doesn’t require anything. It only requires personal opinion. Parliament runs on it.
Of course the privacy impact is huge. privacy just does not matter to the average working voting person trying to put groceries on the table.
MPs wont change the stance here because people want to be protected by anonymity. Frankly they won’t change stance at all. Its a certainty at this point.
But it will increase the cost of business which will be passed on and definitely exploited.
“Wont somebody think of the children”
Plenty of children starving in the UK because Government services cant raise revenue to maintain existing levels of public services.
I look to the UK and see the future of western economies. Boned badly, society highly controlled with a large overall tax burden, years of immigration to keep the budget balaced on paper increasing the impact all to delay the fallout. And yes while this will most likely not register a blip to the CPI, its still yet another cut in the wrong direction.
Absolute bollocks. Doesn’t require anything. It only requires personal opinion. Parliament runs on it.
If your opposition is just based on vibes than it can be ignored based on nothing more than that.
You should practice it.
Levy is a Tax.
Oh, you are talking about an actual fee in the legislation, not the cost of contracting with a company that verifies ages.
The cost though is £70 million. Since you raise the prospect of child poverty, the one policy the government needs to reverse to improve child poverty is the two-child benefit cap, which would cost £2.1bn, so this policy costs 3% of a substantive policy on child poverty.
A high estimate for how many deaths could be prevented by lifting the cap is about 300 per year, that I have seen (it’s not really about the cap itself but is about modelling what would happen if Labour were able to reduce child poverty at the same rate it was in 1997-2010, which would presumably include eliminating the cap). 3% of 300 is 9 deaths. While I don’t support the OSA, I think it is completely plausible that a policy which reduces the amount children are looking at extreme violence and advocation of eating disorders and suicide would prevent in the region of 9 deaths per year. About 150 children die each year by suicide (according to statistics, which will undercount the problem because parents as a rule don’t want their child’s death to be recorded as suicide). And saving 9 lives is to bring this policy in line, cost-wise, with an estimate that relates to a whole programme of government, which will in reality cost far more than £2.1bn.
Cost is not the right lens through which to examine the OSA, no matter what your personal opinion tells you.
The Online Safety Act doesn’t apply any new taxes on anyone. It forces service providers (IE: Private Companies) to institute age checks through either AI Face checks or ID either through an in house solution or buying services from a third party (YOTI or similar). It imposes a cost on a business where they have to either spend money setting up an age verification solution or acquire one from a private company. The government doesn’t impose any new taxes on people on businesses with this bill, but instead makes companies who run services give money to other companies to comply with the law.
In short, the censorship isn’t being done directly by the state, it’s being done by private companies under pain of massive fines by the state. Other than suing websites or dealing with court challenges (which is done in house), all the actual legwork is being done by private companies, some of whom, like YOTI, are making handsome amounts of cash.
Read my post, you really didn’t read it.
I’ll spell it out.
State created the law. That creates a cost to be recovered. How that cost is recovered is irrelevant, it’s s state mandated cost aka tax.
State created the law. That creates a cost to be recovered. How that cost is recovered is irrelevant, it’s s state mandated cost aka tax.
Just because it’s a state mandated cost doesn’t mean it’s a tax. Tax implies the money goes to the government to pay for goods and services. It’s actually worse than that: it’s a levy.
A levy doesn’t go to the government. A levy goes to whatever person provides the good or service. For example: if I tax alcohol based on alcohol content, the amount of money added to the tax goes to the government. If I place a levy based on alcohol content, the amount of money that is added goes to the person/company selling the booze. An example of a levy is the plastic bag levy, which was put in place to reduce plastic pollution. That money you spend on a bag doesn’t go to the government, it goes to the people you got the bag from, and they can do whatever they want with it, keep it, give it to charity, use it to buy Heroin on the deep web, you name it!
What this law has effectively done has made service providers (not just companies, but whoever runs the site) a choice: They can either develop their own age verification system or pay a company (like YOTI) to do it for them. Most service providers do the latter because they do not have the resources to do the latter.
Does the money go to the government? No (except maybe under the table nudge nudge wink wink), it goes straight to the company. What the government has done is force entities to give a private company money.
It’s a tax in the way, let’s say, a hypothetical Right-Libertarian government might tax you, or even an American Homeowners Association might “tax” you: making you give a private company money.
Levy, lol.
Call it what it is: a tax.
A burden on the population. No amount of dirty politics changes the fact. Taxes do not all get directly paid to gavernment. Like sales taxes, service tips ect.
Edit wrote another post, more depth.
A burden on the population.
The population being the people who run self hosted forums with a certain amount of British users. If you are one of those people, yeah, I’m sorry, I hate it too, but the vast majority of the UK don’t run forums with a large amount of British users. Fun fact, the End users (the people giving away their IDs) aren’t actually paying shit to anyone bar their IDs.
Taxes do not all get directly paid to gavernment. Like sales taxes, service tips ect.
VAT (what you call “sales tax”) does go to the Treasury. Like when you buy something, that 20% extra you paid goes off to the government via the Taxes the shop pays. That’s how VAT works.
Services tips aren’t really a thing in the UK, especially not mandatory ones because food service workers in the UK aren’t exempt from the minimum wage.
Are you even from the UK? Are you even in the UK? Because if you were from here, or even if you spent any amount of time here, you would’ve known the following things:
- The United Kingdom doesn’t have Federal Taxes because we’re not a Federal country. Again, we’re a Unitary Country with Devolution.
- We don’t use the term “Sales Tax”, we use the term VAT (Value Added Tax). That’s not some special technical term, VAT is common parlance.
- Service tips are not compulsory nor expected in any way, shape or form because food service workers in the UK are paid minimum wage with no exceptions. Most places here don’t even have the option to give a tip.
Considering these things, I think you’re American. In that case, please, do us a favour, don’t act like you’re a fucking expert on this. I live in the UK, Scotland to be precise. Shit’s bad, The OSA can get tae fuck, but having Yanks who watched videos made by other yanks who don’t know shit about fuck on the ground lecture me about my own fucking country as if it’s just “America with funny accents” not only doesn’t help, it’s just spreading bullshit.
Economy and climate change is getting worse and they need to protect their rich, so more control of us low lives are needed. They laying the groundwork.
Their mass surveillance program doesn’t even work. Like not enough people are watching those video feeds of all the cameras in London to prevent crime or even solve crime. Not to mention UK also has a cop problem. People who are in most need of their protection do not trust the police.
I demand total access to UK official’s private life then.
I see the louis rossmann in that answer
Good luck preventing someone from getting a vps in the another country and doing their own tunnel. It can be done in such a way is undetectable at the protocol level. Coming up next age verification for ssh.
What they can likely do is the same as with porn sites: require law-abiding, trusted and well-known VPN providers to do age verification, thus pushing people to more obscure and risky providers who don’t care about the law instead.
That’s how my OpenVPN server works, Digital Ocean droplet overseas.
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That’s fine. We’ll just use Tor instead
Use tor to tunnel to a more enlightened country
buy vpn anonymously
use vpn
Just create your own VPN. Just rent a vps server in Ireland or Netherlands and install VPN software on it like OpenVPN and route your traffic through that server. You can even share your VPN with friends.
at some point i may do
