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There’s no need to snap
Femcel: I will flatten you if you disagree with me <3
Don’t snap at me, but it would be more apt of you to make a flat pack, or create an app image, or you might get stuck in a tar ball.
Distro wars are silly. If someone is happy using Ubuntu, I’m happy they’re a linux user.
Same as the Unix wars and Vim vs. Emacs.
Snaps make sens from the Ubuntu side.
Only one package to maintain for an application, even if they have different distributions to maintain. If snap is officially supported by the creator of the application, then it’s less work for Canonical. Well, it would have make more sens if flatpak didn’t exist.
From user side, it makes way less sens :
- the closed source application shop
- if snaps are not officially supported, then Canonical try to create one, and they may be not that great …
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I’d say snaps are aimed at servers. A big aspect of both Flatpaks and Snaps is the whole sandboxed environment thing.
I think that’s a major reason Canonical flubbed snaps, is they shoved them down the throats of casual users instead of focusing on using them in server situations where you want things more “locked down.”
Once again, it does seem silly that they reinvented the wheel, but I mean, that’s actually really common. So common there is an XKCD comic about it. So due to how commonplace such a thing is, it seems weird to attack Canonical so much over it.
it seems weird to attack Canonical so much over it.
I mean, on the technical side, sure. Canonical’s technical choice is just weird. Plenty of fully open app store environments have almost no competition, because self hosting is still hard work.
But all of the business reasons - for having a closed proprietary sole app server - go against everything that Canonical used to claim they stood for.
Canonical’s business choice not to open source the snap servers is an open declaration of war against the FOSS community who have previously rallied around them.
It’s like inviting someone into my basement and locking the door with a key as they get to the bottom step. The action isn’t illegal, but the probable motive is creepy as fuck. (Maybe I just watch too many horror movies. Lol.)
I still use Ubuntu server. It’s not nearly as atrocious as Ubuntu desktop.
I use Ubuntu desktop for my server! What can I say? I installed it one night on my desktop to see how it felt and my experiment turned into an entire fucking server because “already here. More convenient.”
A “server” is just a remote computer “serving” you stuff, after all. Although, if you have stuff you would have trouble setting up again from scratch, I’d recommend you look into making at least these parts of your setup repeatable, be it something fancy ala Ansible, or even just a couple of bash scripts to install the correct packages and backing up your configs.
Once you’re in this mindset and take this approach by default, changing machines becomes a lot less daunting in general. A new personal machine takes me about an hour to setup, preparing the USB included.
If it’s stuff you don’t care about losing, ignore everything I just said. But if you do care about it, I’d slowly start by giving from the most to least critical parts. There’s no better time to do it than when things are working well haha!
I really do need to be better at backing up my configs and especially my media. Storage is cheaper than it used to be, but it certainly isn’t cheap
It’s how we do.
Saving your comment for later, when people who know far more than either of us tell you why that’s a horrible idea.
I wouldn’t take too seriously anyone saying it’s a horrible idea. I mean, I think you could always argue it’s a waste of resources running a GUI for a thing intended to be a server. But headless servers aren’t the end all be all. I’m sure there’s a lot of licensed redhat instances out there running gnome or whatever because reasons.
Personally I wouldn’t do it unless some hard necessity were there because it’s just another thing that could go wrong, another thing to maintain if you’re capturing your config as code, and mostly because I’m not gonna dedicate a keyboard/monitor for that kind of stuff.
I use both, the only other distros I’ve used are Raspberry Pi OS and Raspbian. What am I missing out on? Ubuntu desktop seems fine to me, I’m hoping to transition all my machines to Ubuntu desktop before windows 10 EoL. Unfortunately I still have to keep a windows machine around, there are multiple pieces of software I need for work that are windows only.
Please don’t kill me I’m just a noob who doesn’t know any better.
Ubuntu is fine if you install Flatpak and replace the Ubuntu Software Center with the Gnome Software Center, but that is not something that is obvious or even easy for a newcomer, so in that regard, it is atrocious.
I use Ubuntu a lot and can say I’ve never used the Ubuntu software center. I’m old enough that I still accidentally type apt-get instead of apt though.
I think it’s what they renamed the Snap Store to. Or I’m misremembering. But uninstall whatever app store comes on Ubuntu and install the Gnome one.
I use Server for my Pi-Hole running on an old NUC.
My endpoints run either Mint or Manjaro.
I use Kubuntu LTS. Went with
--minimal-install. Nosnapto worry about from the get-go.What happened to Ubuntu?
I use Arch btw :3
Ubuntu is ok. That’s it. Let them get on with their life. An OS is a tool that shouldn’t get in the way of the user of trying to achieve a goal. If Ubuntu works for them, Ubuntu is good. Linux has to be a solution, a way to a goal not the actual goal.
Sorry, there’s one thing about the OS|software|product|company|person|car that we don’t like, so we all have to glom on, downvote it to the basement and tell you why we hate it so much.
/s
Thank you for your informed opinion.
I mean, my distro’s technically an Ubuntu variant, but I honestly don’t think that’s ever come up in any meaningful way.
I’m yet to have an issue with snaps while using Ubuntu
i use cbl mariner
The fact that they changed the name to Azure Linux still upsets me. I get upset easily.
We use it at work. Seems mostly fine and similar enough to old CentOS and RHEL.
Lubuntu > ubuntu
Haters are weird in the maga way.
I tried mint; it was worse. I was like oh well, guess I’ll deal with the snaps.
It’s pretty rare hearing that Mint is worse than Ubuntu. Genuine question to just know what people may think about it: what made you think it’s worse than Ubuntu?
I switched from Ubuntu to Linux Mint and I have more issues with Linux Mint. From the top of my head :
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Sleep simply doesn’t work. I have Mint on two different machines and both don’t work (it worked fine on Ubuntu)
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If I do a soft reboot, it reboots to a black screen 100% of the time on both machines. I need to power cycle to reboot.
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I need to restart Pulseaudio frequently because it starts to make white noise.
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Cinnamon desktop environment crashing to a black screen and logging me out randomly.
I am just waiting to finish my current game to switch to a new distro because Mint isn’t working for me.
Cinnamon is so bad, even Ubuntu got rid of it, and that’s saying something.
I like the look, but it has been my worst DE so far
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One immediate thing that irritated me was the process for pairing a Bluetooth keyboard was completely bugged out and it took me a while to even see where and how to enter the code. It looked like it just didn’t work for no reason at first and it took a lot of hunting to figure out that I had to enter a code.
There were other things too. Cinnamon crashed. Qt applications didn’t work in ways that were difficult to troubleshoot. Sleep seemed non-functional. There aren’t any power modes which I used to use heavily on that laptop and on and on.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing and I’m sorry to hear that it’s been what seems like a lot of trouble for you. I don’t use Mint, but it’s what I hear a lot of people recommending to new people, so I’m just curious how things have been.
Have you tried getting support from their forums?
Nah I didn’t have a lot of time to mess around with that stuff I just wanted my system to work. It’s much easier to find answers when things go wrong on Ubuntu too because it’s more popular.
That’s fair.
