wtf ever happened to vine?
edit TIL tldr: bought by twitter and killed. founders tried to build a new one in 2020 and died in 2023.
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There’s a fediverse alternative made by same people who have made pixelfed called Loops Link
Loops is even less federated that Blue Sky, meaning not at all. (It’s on the roadmap, though.)
Given the track record of blue sky and pixelfed, I would out my money on pixelfed.
Loops has some work if it ever wants to really blow up. I crashed constantly while using it the other day, and it’s feature set needs work. It has potential though.
Have you used loops? I tried to sign up and its been ~6 hours without a verification email. Its great they have a testflight app on iOS but I’ve been looking for an android apk with no luck. I really want a federated tik tok to blow up but I’m finding it hard to even get set up.
I used it and it’s very disappointing, the content feels like that old website that showed you YouTube videos with 0 views.
It’ll probably be another day or two before you get the email. It’ll have a link to an APK to download.
Good to know, thanks!
its been 2 days, they should at least let content creators of any kind have priority to get some stuff on the platform, I was gonna say link your tiktok to the signup if its manual verification but thats gone lmao
one thing red note nails is easily letting you use the background music of another video for your video, that bare minimum needs to be in loops
Isn’t loops just the pixelfed instance run by the developer?
Video will not work for AT whatsoever. Text and images, fine, but I’m pretty sure leveraging edge delivery of video is just not going to work out well for users. I think they’ll need a centralized host for that portion, or some fancy ways to offload bandwidth otherwise to prevent constant hammering of popular videos.
some fancy ways to offload bandwidth otherwise to prevent constant hammering of popular videos
it’s called a CDN
CDN won’t scale to millions of users all uploading videos on a decentralized system. Article is specifically talking about AT Protocol which doesn’t account for video. Making a global CDN distribution of videos from decentralized sources is whole other ball of wax.
These people are poorly informed, Loops already exists
“Exists” yea but not really usable, it’s more raw than Pixelfed
I swear, we’re just witnessing the next power-grab by people richer than us.
Anyone who isn’t advocating for Mastodon, the federated option, is either a fool or being fooled.
ATP is also federated, and the model is much more scalable than ActivityPub. You’re already free to host all of your Bluesky account and all your posts on your own PDS. They’re opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity.
and the model is much more scalable than ActivityPub.
How so?
They’re opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity.
Why are they waiting? Why should we trust them?
The “how so” is evident if you try to use any of these platforms regularly. ActivityPub based platforms chug slowly and/or just don’t load feeds at all. Mastodon and Pixelfed have been very disappointing. The software is heavy to run and the monolithic structure means your provider has to run everything in one stack. If that stack can’t keep up with demand at any link in the chain, the whole thing falls over
As for why they’re waiting, they’re waiting on public release because they’re in active development. They are working with a number of independent devs. This is all explained in the ATP documentation.
As for why you should trust them, the question is trust them with what? If you don’t trust them with holding your data, self host your PDS and you can host your account and all it’s posts yourself. If you don’t trust their feed, you can use one of the community’s many other feed algorithm options.
Personally I don’t have a problem with the current “distributed data, centralised presentation” model since you still have the option to select your own feeds.
I highly recommend reading both the ActivityPub and ATP docs as they’re both freely available and easy to read. The difference in design philosophy is apparent in both, and anyone who’s ever worked on webscale projects will be able to see why ATPs more distributed model is more scalable.
ActivityPub based platforms chug slowly and/or just don’t load feeds at all.
I don’t have this issue. Maybe it’s your internet connection or you’re just lying.
As for why they’re waiting, they’re waiting on public release because they’re in active development. They are working with a number of independent devs. This is all explained in the ATP documentation.
Yeah, this sounds like bullshit to placate people like you / what you’re told to tell others. This is not a legitimate reason to wait for a public release. Hopefully anyone reading this can judge for themselves.
As for why you should trust them, the question is trust them with what?
Trust them with “opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity.” Why are you ignoring this part and supplementing your own? I assume it’s because you don’t have a legitimate answer and you’re trying to derail and distract.
Of course, you try to send me off and say “just read this, bro. It’s all explained here.” No. I’m here to scrutinize your support for this centralized, private platform.
Right now, your reasons for supporting it are incorrect at best and malicious at worst.
Everyone reading this: be careful of viral marketing. It’s cheaper and more effective for these businesses to advertise their product by having people argue for it like this guy right here than it is to buy an ad on TV or something.
Incidentally, Christine Webber (who probably knows a bit about the subject) was going over how decentralized BlueSky really is or not (spoiler, it’s not): https://social.coop/@cwebber/113527462572885698
Viral marketing 😂 you’re paranoid mate go touch some fucking grass. God this platform is a cesspit.
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Mastodon is trash
So is twitter and all the other clones.
That’s still not an excuse to go with the centralized option when centralization is what put people in this position.
Bluesky is better and decentralised
How is it better?
If it’s really decentralized, where are the other instances?
It’s better than X because there’s no nonsense right-wing political propaganda and shitty CEO, and it’s better than Mastodon because it’s more user friendly.
It is meant to be decentralised, but most people aren’t creating their own instances.
So… censorship and not-actually-being-decentralized are your reasons for liking it more?
shitty CEO
Err… don’t be fooled. The CEO of bluesky is only in this to make money. If he could do what musk does, odds are he would.
There’s no censorship the right-wingers haven’t moved to bluesky yet.
not-actually-being-decentralized are your reasons for liking it more
Still better than X and Mastodon, so yes.
If he could do what musk does, odds are he would.
You mean aggressively lobby for right wing takeover and attempt to influence international governance? I have my doubts
it’s better than Mastodon because it’s more user friendly.
This is achieved through centralization. There’s a reason nobody else is hosting their own PDS. You use the bluesky app, on the bluesky website, through the bluesky servers.
Once you get passed the massive hurdle of making an account (no different than when we all collectively figured out email), it’s the exact same UI and experience.
why are they so hellbound on avoiding the fediverse
No money in fediverse
There is, just not a lot and not for a giant central company that controls it.
You can have a private instance, you can have premium accounts on instances, companies can have their own instance.
There is
Compared to what corporate has it’s basically no money…
Yeah it’s kinda sad, that open source gets so little love in terms of money.
I would hope that the EU may help here, and in very small steps, that is true, but there could be so much more money (which would still be very little to the EU) that would have a significant effect there.
Rich people = successful therefore they should control everything because its obviously the only way for that thing to be successful because success = revenue. According to rich people that is.
Ffs, money really is evil, and more monies are more evil.
Just imagine using your money not in exchange for getting even more money …
Anything that feeds on itself is bound to be sinister.
Just promote and support loops, ya bastard.
What the hell is going on with his pinky finger?
His heart is in the right place but money has twisted his mind so much his heart had to go along with it to survive
Kids use tiktok and they don’t want something their dad built, however safe. They are migrating to rednote because it’s not safe.
Because we can totally trust the oligarchs to build something safe for us.
Hey don’t dis our corporate overlords and owners. They provide us food and shelter, well, only if you do what they demand…
They are throwing a tantrum in the stupidest way possible.
The 200 iq move is to join it and tell them how cool it is. Then they won’t like it.
Eh. I tried this with TikTok. Didn’t work.
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Lol, this explanation is about as plausible as the “threat” of strangers offering me free drugs (which I must definitely say no to, rofl).
Yes what I was saying was that it is a safe unsafe thing, safe at least to them in any way that matters but still problematic to the people around them which is exactly the thing people want at that age. Seemed a perfectly reasonable thing to say, not sure why it’s downvoted so much.
Bcs kids like to experiment and grow, the dangers involved (as a side effect!!) being to them, not systemic risks to whole countries and the world.
If I did extreme sports as a kid my grandma wouldn’t get radicalised from my money spent on that.
If I support a shitty app from a shitty corp my grandma could get a higher chance of seeing shitty one-sided news of just whatever is profitable to that corp.Doing anything affects the world around you, so doing something that affects everyone & saying that you like the ‘danger’ doesn’t make sense bcs it’s not primarily towards you.
Thats why the problem ‘if you click this button you get a million monies but a random person is killed’ wasn’t made to debate the “danger” but rather morals of such a decision.
