Sounds terrible. I’m sure it’ll happen cuz we live in hell.
If Intel didn’t have yield issues for over a decade, wouldn’t they be much further ahead than AMD by now?
Kinda weird how their production problems conveniently coincide with what will keep them “neck n’ neck” with the competition for as long as possible.
Intel made some massive mistakes with their post 14nm nodes, they overextended and fell on their own sword.
Admittedly what Intel were aiming for with their “10nm” node had higher density than tsmc’s “7nm” (from memory), considering the timeframe that would have been another massive leap for Intel; and if they had pulled it off AMD would be struggling like the bulldozer days.
22nm to 14nm Intel were on fire, almost seemed untouchable for quite some time. X99 was (in my eyes) the biggest leap in the right direction and probably their best consumer platform ever released. Huge cache, moar cores, pcie lanes for days and a refresh on their latest node (6950x).
I just decided to go team blue, because of how much they’ve done for the FOSS community and their great Linux support. Plus I always have to support the underdog.
I feel quite worried about this.
RISC-V is of course the future, and my next laptop will be running RISC-V for sure. But I “had” to get a new gaming rig, so went all in on team blue. Maybe just brainwashed by all marketing.
AMD: “Go for it!”
Right?! RIP Intel haha
Where did I see the “rule” of comic books where the main villain starts as a good guy and after a friend of the hero…
Mixed feelings about this as someone with a relatively (per my portfolio) huge investment in Intel. It would result, eventually, in the end of Intel. But so many dumb people with so much money keep throwing money at his crap companies so it might work out in the short term to get out with a profit.
Youre going to short it?
I was about to get extremely upset, and then I remembered I haven’t used intel since 2012.
This is still extremely bad for the industry, regardless of whether you personally use it.
Meh. Maybe it will accelerate us to open hardware.
Does that include Wi-Fi or cellular modems or any of the other shit they make, or just x86 CPUs?
I have a 13700K that’s growing increasingly unstable due to their fuckup on voltage control. Never again. My next rebuild will be AMD.
havent built a new PC since 2019 but when I did, I specifically picked AMD because of the Specter problem that existed at the time. havent looked back since.
oh, I agree.
They have to old slogan of intel inside ready to be rebranded as incel inside
I appreciate him doing this after intel lost their magic, otherwise, it would have been much harder emotionally.
They lost it in CPUs, but I think they’re actually nailing it in GPUs though (for once(at least for the budget/entry level))
Issue is, Intel controls the x86 architecture which is in almost all desktop PCs…
They have what, 2 models? And in the GPU market, they aren’t even a pimple on the fly on the ass of nVidia or AMD
I’ve personally seen on at least 5 different Intel models on store shelves. The A380, A580 and the A750. Now the B580 and B570. The A380 stuck around but the others sold out fast from what I saw.
And though they aren’t nearly as large as the two giants, they seem to be aiming for and pleasing the under-served sub-$250 market. Though I wish they’d publish more official numbers. A 6 day slice from a retailer isn’t a great view on trends.
aiming for and pleasing the under-served sub-$250 market.
It’s already served by iGPUs and used dGPUs.
I shudder to think of the poor soul that is so clueless and not-actually-frugal that they look at their needs and say an intel dGPU is the best choice.
Eh unless they have the most efficient overall, they won’t make inroads into the server market. The entry level laptop and desktop markets are getting smaller and has less margins.
Any source you can cite?
Do you mean the efficiency question? I’m just deducing if they were competitive in servers Intel would jump at that opportunity.
As for the PC market, just looking at unit sales: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_computer_vendors
And as for margins, well the exact information is a bit hard to find but in general lower end products have tighter margins and the buyers for them are more price sensitive.
Oh sorry, yeah that was directed towards the comment that the desktop market is getting smaller. I’ve heard that “the desktop computer is dead” for over two decades now, so that wiki page is quite interesting.
I’d love to see the 2024 number once it gets published, because the 2020/1 numbers are such an anomalies from COVID that it’s hard to tell if the market’s actually shrinking or just stabilizing.
It likely will stabilize, but it might become more of an enthusiast market. People don’t necessarily need a PC anymore.
budget/entry level
Shit nobody cares about because we have iGPUs for that purpose.
iGPUs suck ass, better than they’ve been in the past, but for gaming they’re still just what you use while you wait to get a dGPU
With handheld PCs’ resurgence, iGPUs are getting recognition. With my handheld PC, I can easily play most PC games, barring the latest AAA games, on it. It has basically transformed the way I play video games, and it is powered by a 12 CU RDNA 3 iGPU. I was blown away when it could play 2010s games at ultra settings, 1080p, 60 fps with just a 10-watt configured TDP.
Especially the latest Ryzen HX395. It’s an APU with a 40 CU RDNA iGPU. I think the current development is going on that direction.
For handhelds, a 720p resolution is very adequate, but not for a 27" Monitor
iGPUs do not “suck ass.” They’re built for purpose and fulfill that purpose quite well.
If you’re gaming, you’re better off buying a used dGPU made by AMD or Nvidia than a new GPU made by intel. I legitimately pity the fool who is buying an intel dGPU for gaming over used or new options from the other two.
But hey, I guess people like you need to feel different somehow so that’s what the market is there for.
Isn’t he busy enough buying the United States right now?
I thought that was bought and paid for already.
Yep. Citizens’ United guaranteed that by allowing corporations to funnel an unlimited amount of money into campaigns.
Just a heads up, if
spendingwasting egregious amounts of money didn’t influence the outcome of elections, why would people do it?It’s more of an ongoing project.
He went with the subscription based license instead of the full purchase
Who wants to get in bed with Elon so he drives the brand into the ground? How much has Fidelity written down their investment in Twitter, 80%?
He’s going to rename the i series to something ridiculous like i69, i420, i1337, and iX isn’t he?
The new Incel X series
No responsible board should sell as much as a paper clip to this sociopathic weenis piss baby.
Now give me an example of a corporate board at Intel’s scale being responsible when given the choice between being responsible or buttloads of short-term profits.
this is the company that at one time chose to buy mcafee.
But why!?
McAfee was a solid product in the beginning, it turned to crap after it’s admittedly crazy founder sold it off.
Yeah, dude is straight bat shit, but he made a good product. Buying McAfee wasn’t the mistake, ruining it was
I’d bet money McAfee has destroy more registries then it has protected.
Who gave him access to regex.exe?
What? It worked out for Twitter shareholders though.
What bothers me about all these political posts is when people act surprised when profit seeking people act purely in their self interest.
I agree it’s bad, but it’s weird to be constantly mad about things so obvious like parasites acting parasitically.
I thought the weenis was a dance?
Responsible to who?
Of course they will sell if there’s a profit to be made. Companies exist to make profits, if they can make a profit from it, it’s actually their responsibility to the shareholders to do it.Maybe you mean responsible in some way that has to do with morals, but if you think morals apart from staying within the law, have any say in this whatsoever, you are being very naive. That’s not at all how the system works.
That said I don’t see any other way than corruption for Musk to be interested. Musk buys Intel, and Trump doubles the subsidies to Intel and give them extra sweet government contracts. And everybody profit, except the stupid taxpayers including those that voted Trump.
Only the law helps super capitalist narcissists to stay at least somewhat within moral norms.
And in USA the law doesn’t even count anymore. So there you go, everything is fucked up, until Americans figure it out. Which means it will be fucked up for a loooong time.
This was always the inevitable outcome of capitalism. Just some rich lying dipshit buying the world.
I think elons would be needed to be broken down by government like the Rockefellers.
Musk-busting?
Yeah.
And there’s a very good chance that Elon spends his waning years in and out of every court, trying to stay out of jail.
Source: Rockefeller’s biography.
And that’s actually the optimistic version, from Elon’s perspective. There’s been plenty of rich assholes in history that didn’t have to worry about the courts.
I mean really depends whether or not he manages to continue to succesfully own the US government. He made basically statements along the lines of if trump loses the election he could go to jail. I assume he’s betting on either the trump administration killing democracy… or being able to buy the next election too. Or perhaps just often enough that the supreme court never gets fixed.
Yeah. Rockefeller pretty much owned the government in his heyday, too.
And then at some point he didn’t anymore. Money can buy power, but it does run out eventually.
Rockefeller was a lot smarter than Musk, and got a bit ahead of it with publicity stunt donations, before his influence ran out.
Musk thinks he can achieve a better outcome by controlling the media or the courts.
I think it’s objectively true that controlling the media does work, but I also think Musk wildly overestimates his own competence, and is in for a worse time than Rockefeller had.
Not doing to happen in this political climate. The robber barons has nothing in the tech companies.
Look at the way Tesla collects and treats customer data, and the way Musk seems to unilaterally abuse his control over the companies he owns for personal reasons.
Now think about the capabilities of the Intel Management Engine that pretty much every Intel CPU requires.
Bad vibes, I say.
For those feeling out of the loop, see here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine
Tldr - it’s a little always on processor, running a Minix OS, with direct access to all board devices including the Ethernet Controller.
AMD has something similar in form of their Platform Security Processor.
On one hand “noooo!” But on the other this would be great for ARM and RISC-v if Intel tanks.
Screw ARM honestly, they don’t need any help. RISC-V though as the only open source of any significance, absolutely!
What about POWER9? You can buy a complete workstation right now, with an open source CPU, Board, BIOS. It’ll cost you an arm, a leg, and probably some more internal organs, but it is currently more functional than RISC-V.
c’mon RISC-V! Framework is developing a board for their laptop right now.
Technically it’s a third party developing a Framework board. Regardless, it’s cool that other companies even can design Framework boards.
I didn’t know that, very cool
Hooray for Risc-v, anyway.
I think I joke too often about ruling benevolently over the world’s robots someday after everyone lays off their Cybersecurity staff.
But if we continue this trend, this community may have the only clean secure laptops after everyone else sells out and fills their shit with backdoors.
Maybe we can rule together as a benevolent collective…
