And why would you assume there aren’t some pro-Zionist Democrats that voted for Kamala BECAUSE of her stance on Gaza? Every decision a campaign makes both gains and loses them votes.

Because the propaganda surrounding Zionism and the level of support for Zionism overwhelmingly is on the republican’s side. Zionist democrats are primarily in the leadership not voting base. Zionist democrats among the voting base who would legitimately not vote for Harris if she had said she intended to reign in Israel (which she implied non-noncommittally to anyway) is undoubtedly smaller than pro-palestinian activists. Netanyahu is not even a popular leader among Israelis.

Even if the stance of reigning in Netanyahu was unpopular among Zionist democrats, there wouldn’t be nearly the same level of rage and zeal over such a move.

Now, I would say this was a tactical mistake on the part of democratic leaders in terms of winning, but more than likely their allegiance to Zionism is strong enough that they were clearly willing to increase the risk of losing in order to keep the political discourse more favorable to Israel if possible and did not want to give in rhetorically. And they paid for it. We all are going to pay for it.

Make no mistake, I fucking hate them for it. But I can be repulsed and disgusted by more than one group of people.

I think the issue, in terms of its effects on the election, is largely a trivial matter that’s been blown way out of proportion, largely by AIPAC itself. I just don’t think there’s a very large population that cares about Palestinian issues that wouldn’t also vote vote for the optimal outcome for Gaza. Are there some? Sure. But I’m incredibly suspicious of anyone pushing the narrative that this had a substantial effect on the election. We’re talking about people educated enough on world affairs to care passionately about the plight of a small population on the other side of the planet, but also ignorant enough to go and vote for Donald Trump? How many people do you think actually meet both of those qualifications? It’s a tiny rounding error.

It seems like a disinformation campaign by AIPAC intended to sour the public on the rights of Gazans. The people who care about Gaza are primarily on the left side of the political spectrum. What better way to alienate the American left to the plight of the Gazans than to convince people on the left that the Gaza issue cost Kamala the election? The whole thing absolutely wreaks of an Israeli propaganda campaign.

If it’s not an AIPAC campaign, it’s largely just a self-serving story on the part of white voters. Trump won because white people voted overwhelmingly in favor of him. Even the concentration of Muslims in Michigan is completely irrelevant, as Trump would have won without winning Michigan. If it’s not an Israeli intelligence operation, blaming Kamala’s loss on Palestinians is ultimately just subtly veiled racism.

The numbers bear this out. Muslim voters voted for Kamala 46% to 43%. White voters voted for Trump 56% to 40%. Muslims voted for Harris at far higher rates than white people did.

Blaming Arabs and Muslims for Harris’s loss is just a way of scapegoating a racial and religious minority group. Trump won because white people overwhelmingly voted for him. Everything else is a rounding error. It’s just plain old racism, nothing more.

You are making the grave mistake of overestimating people with in-group thinking. Most people who are voting around hot button issues like this are not deeply educated and even so being educated on world affairs doesn’t prevent irrational and emotional decision making.

That said, I wasn’t blaming Arabs and Muslims in my post maybe you should reread it.

I’m talking about the net effect of discouraging or demotivating non-arab & non-muslim democratic voters with “A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide” I’ve seen this type of propaganda first hand in real life.

Guilt is a strong (de)motivator. Just as much as outrage (maybe more so). Palestinian activists utilized both to largely harm Harris’s campaign.

Its not racism because I’m not directing my blame at a racial group. I’m directing my ire at dipshit white people who watch too much Tik Tok and decided not to vote because they did not want to “be complicit in genocide”. Just as much as dipshit Arab and Muslims who thought that it earnestly did not matter for Palestine who won. Or the portion that thought Trump might legitimately be better for Palestine. Even if most Arabs & Muslims who voted did in fact mostly vote Harris basically every minority group including them shifted towards Trump in 2024 compared to previous elections.

And make no mistake, I’m well aware that most white people voted Trump. My antipathy towards them is much much stronger, but I don’t want to yell at them and call them stupid. I’ve said on this very platform that if Canada (or Mexico) and the US legitimately had some kind of war and I had to pick I’d fight on the Mexico/Canada side and probably seek out MAGA homes and do some very not good things to those people. Maybe things international organizations would view… poorly. Most MAGA are white.

I just also feel zero motivation to assist people who helped the fascists win. Even if the blame on them is only partial. I wouldn’t commit violence against them but I’m not lifting a fucking finger for them either. They made their fucking bed.

Same with the non-voter people who suddenly realized its bad for them personally that Trump won. Whether they’re moderate Republicans, Centrists, “apolitical”, or anti-electorialist labor.

There are very few good people left by my count after this election.