I didn’t vote for Trump, this is not a justification for anything he is doing, this is purely me trying to find any crumb of hope in this abysmal situation.
The country was in decline for at least a decade before Trump took office. So far everything has been a slow boil and we Americans just take it imo.
Maybe Trump will make everything so awful so quickly it will force actual change. Basically we were slowly heating the water and when it turned lukewarm Trump just cranked the heat up to max, maybe the frog realizes this and jumps out.
If the Reagan administration’s legacy is any indication, no, no it won’t. Things will continue being fucked and getting worse decades from now.
This post breaks literally rules #1, #2 and #3 of this community. Crazy.
Mods please wake up and DO YOUR JOB.
A Political Compass meme, in a Lemmy post’s comment section?
Thought this would happen the first time, woke up to him winning again.
Shit needs to get a lot worse before it gets better apparently
People forgot what Trump was like 4 years ago and re elected him. So no, it will not facilitate any change.
I like how people think destroying everything will somehow result in a future where people are empathetic.
It’s more about the less people have to lose the more they are willing to risk
When the people end up with nothing left to lose, things tend to get exceptionally shitty for a few generations. Then it’s a die toss to figure out if what comes after that is any better or not.
It’s not really a die toss because the people with power maintain that power and have the most influence in what comes out of that shit-pool. It needs a functional shakeup at the deepest level, and not superficial changes at the surface level to make an effective difference. Otherwise things will just continue to repeat until we destroy ourselves. The problem is that kind of shakeup requires that people remain vigilant and involved for their entire lives, which isn’t going to happen if their only concern is that their own lives are getting disrupted and they want it to go back to par, which is our current standoff.
Phoenix?
I have cystic fibrosis, it’s a genetic disease and my lungs are (were, I got a new set) especially impacted, I thought COVID could possibly change the world for the better for people like me, improved access via remote work or telehealth etc. that people would be more reasonable and understanding to those with lung disease, that the medical sector would start looking more heavily into lung health, lung rehabilitation, the issues around lung disease and immune-disregulation etc. but really very little has happened and there’s been no significant permanent changes and people chose to keep denying illness and disability exist… I think the virus of the trump presidency running through the US will have the same negative effect where a lot of people die and not much else happens
I’m disabled too. By far the biggest issue for me is other people’s reactions to it
That’s a legit societal theory called “accelerationism”. Make everything so awful that people will realize what’s happening and instigate massive backlash.
Except… the first time this was tried, in the 30’s, we got WWII instead of solutions. So maybe not that great of an idea after all.
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No.
You should read some US history if you think that is going to happen.
At best there will be slight improvement for a couple decades while nobody in the administration or who helped to destroy the government suffers any consequences and they just do it all over again.
Have you read U.S. history?
Despite the land of freedom hype, we started as a country where only land owning white men could vote, and slavery was law. As flawed as things are now (and there will always be a need to improve and fight injustice) slavery has been abolished, all men and women can vote, child labor abolished, 40 hour work week, gay marriage legal.
We should be realistic and honest about the bad things happening right now. But if we don’t believe it’s possible for things to get better (doomerism) then it’s much less likely they will, and believing that ignores the actual historical evidence.
slavery has been abolished
Took a civil war
all men and women can vote
Not all and women voting took violent riots to come to be
child labor abolished
40 hour work week
People died in gun battles against the government and hired guns to get these
gay marriage legal
It’s legal but easy to take away, and also took violent riots
I’ll quote my reply to the other person:
OP said “maybe something good will come out of this” and you said look at history, the best that will happen is some minor temporary improvement. I pointed out several significant long lasting advances. I don’t see where anything you said here disproves that.
As I said, yes, there are significant problems we need to address. But being negative to the point of denying reality isn’t some act of resistance, it’s capitulation. Telling people there’s no hope helps the enemy.
As flawed as things are now (and there will always be a need to improve and fight injustice) slavery has been abolished,
Except in prisons
all men and women can vote,
Except for the ones who can’t because of felonies that are arbitrarily decided to be disqualifying.
child labor abolished,
Except for family businesses, and if you haven’t noticed Republicans are bringing child labor back.
40 hour work week,
Except for exempt employees.
gay marriage legal.
Conservatives are working on getting this overturned just like they overturned Roe v Wade.
Yeah, we aren’t as shitty as we were 250 years ago but the gains we have made in those centuries is pretty fucking basic. We still have massive problems and Republicans and their half of the voting population are working turelessly to bring back the absolute worst things.
Yes, I have read history.
OP said “maybe something good will come out of this” and you said look at history, the best that will happen is some minor temporary improvement. I pointed out several significant long lasting advances. I don’t see where anything you said here disproves that.
As I said, yes, there are significant problems we need to address. But being negative to the point of denying reality isn’t some act of resistance, it’s capitulation. Telling people there’s no hope helps the enemy.
slavery has been abolished
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all men and women can vote
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child labor abolished
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40 hour work week
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gay marriage legal
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I don’t think this will happen
this is purely me trying to find any crumb of hope in this abysmal situation
Yes, I was pointing out why you shouldn’t try to convince yourself to think that there is any possible chance of a positive coming out of this.
Making things worse only makes things worse.
basically accelerationism.
the better conditions we have, the better it is for positive stuff to be done.
making things worse only makes it more difficult to fix.
This usually happens, yes.
After millions people have died.
Not worth it. Trump and the other right wing extremists should have been stopped years ago.
The problem is that there are 70+ million “frogs” in this country who are being told that being boiled alive is good for them - and they believe it without question, and will fight anyone that says otherwise.
On the bright side, that saying is not a reflection of reality. A real frog will jump out of the pot.
And maybe cotton candy will shoot out of my butt and feed all the starving orphans.
The frog jumps out when it’s uncomfortable no matter how slow you heat the water, despite what the meme tells you. The issue is that there’s plenty of people more than willing to provide yet another pot of water to boil for the frog to jump into, because the frog just wants out, it doesn’t care where it goes.
That is what I’m assuming too.
Would be nice if it wouldn’t be causing so much death, destruction and suffering before you got there
