And suddenly these same assholes will tell you to turn your ac off because the power grid can’t meet demand for some “mysterious” reason.
Splurge for me, conserve for thee.
Same with water in CA. Industry uses >80% of water in the state and the focus is on 30 second showers and bullying citizens because their representatives have been captured along with their press in the profit machine.
Residential homes use about 12% of the consumed fresh water in the United States.
Their whole industries that scrape a bit of profit off of a huge amount of America’s water. Like exporting alfalfa grown in a desert.
Reminds me of the story of Texas paying bitcoin farms millions of dollars not to use energy during heat waves https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bitcoin-mining-cryptocurrency-riot-texas-power-grid/
But it’s not the AI farm’s fault, because they get paid to turn off during times the grid is under a lot of stress. So they make money 100% of the time, don’t worry!
Genuinely curious - has Texas been getting fewer residential outages since they expanded capacity for crypto mining? I’d imagine the same economics apply here.
I dunno, I’m from New Jersey. I can tell you about New Jersey though. Our two main providers of electric and gas utilities are PSEG and JCPL. Putting aside that they’re both major corporations and those suck, JCPL also sucks at providing the service it basically forces you to get (because there’s obviously no real alternatives), and PSEG is pretty good. I have not had a legitimate (>2 hours) power outage since I bought my home 11+ years ago. Regardless of my good fortune, we experience struggles in presumably the same fashion as much of the country: the hots are hotter and shit is expensive AF.
I’m sorry none of this is relevant.
Remember how we were told to switch to led lights and efficient appliances to conserve power? Guess it was just to save it for data centers.
Reminds me of that town that Musk basically bought a while back, promising a spaceport or something, and all they really got out of it is a lot of noise and pollution.
Every time you thank ChatGPT, a house goes dark in Wyoming
*a barn goes dark
The state exports almost three-fifths of the electricity it produces, according to the EIA.
this means to use internal “surplus” electricity in the state, 750mw data center would be supported. The initial build is 1.8gw. Need to increase electricity production in the state by over 150%. Surrounding states that depend on Wyoming imports get screwed if WY production not increased more.
“To the best of our knowledge, it is the largest data center — we think of it as a campus — in the world,” OpenAI’s chief global affairs officer Chris Lehane told The Associated Press last week. “It generates, roughly and depending how you count, about a gigawatt of energy.”
Why is this guy saying a datacenter generates energy? It does literally the exact opposite. I guess you don’t need to actually know anything to get a leadership role at openai, as long as you can say lots of words.
Yeah that language is pure corporate BS - data centers CONSUME energy at massive scales (up to 1 gigawatt in this case, which is insane), they’re literally just giant heaters that occasionally produce AI outputs as a byproduct of all that wasted electricty.
I guess they could say they are generating 1GW of computing power
More like a GW of heat… Thankfully I’m sure that will counteract whatever has caused it to be over 80 degrees on my way to work before 0700.
Every square kilometer of land (0.38 Sq miles in freedom units) gets about a GW of heat from the sun (depending on latitude). I doubt one datacenter will contribute that much…
I don’t know, I’ve been in some hot places but massive cooling towers tend to radiate a bit more (now I know what I’m reading about today) and a data center without the ability to pump heat outside isn’t going to make it a whole day before it’s toast.
Not necessarily disagreeing, just curious about how much heat is dispersed by the ones here.
1 gigawatt is not that insane, and I doubt it’s what the datacenter consumes. A rack can easily get into double, even triple digits kW for GPU heavy setups. So let’s say 10 racks per Megawatt. I’m sure such a datacenter has more than 10.000 racks. Plus A/C, and all other “ancillary” uses. A normal datacenter can get close to 1 GW, this thing might be double digits, but I doubt they will publish exact numbers.
But this proposed data center is so big, it would have its own dedicated energy from gas generation and renewable sources, according to Collins and company officials.
The “depending on how you count” probably refers to the renewables.
AI Data centers noticeably fuck with the grid. As a result they are facing internal and external pressure to generate more of their own power. Microsoft is opening a nuclear power plant. I would not be shocked to learn through solar, wind, and coal they provide the majority of their own power
Some of these facilities do generate a significant portion of their own electricity via various means. It’s not like that amount of energy is just sitting out there on the grid waiting to be used. Somebody has to generate it and if you’re already investing millions in rectifiers, batteries, and other data center power systems, why wouldn’t you consider taking it a step further?
Tell me it’s not gonna be generating power with “portable“ generators that narrowly avoid stricter regulation thanks to the guy who bought Twitter pushing them around the data center parking lot every few months.
the only thing that makes sense is heat
My data center has 35MW of generators onsite. No modern DC is designed nor built without backup generators to allow continuous operation during any utility power outages.
Lmao have fun with that power grid impact, Wyoming…
I said this elsewhere, but it will have its own dedicated power supply.
To be fair, only 6 people live in Wyoming
But this proposed data center is so big, it would have its own dedicated energy from gas generation and renewable sources
Very unfortunate, as this could have been an opportunity to advance the green power agenda. Solar, wind, and nuclear are all more efficient than fossil fuels – so why build new fossil fuel plants?
if governments won’t protect us then the time for corporate sabotage is on us. make it incredibly expensive to keep businesses and data centers open.
wAIoming
Fake news! Everyone knows Wyoming was made up by the deep state and doesn’t actually exist.
Wyoming is corrupt as fuck. Coal is in charge there
Can imagine, but hey, someone’s gotta pay for all those Sora videos I’m generating and trashing because the subject had too many extremities.
Me with suno songs lmao
I’m starting to think this is how they ease us into accepting the argument they need to grind us up for biofuel.
“Sorry kids, it turns out deregulation of nuclear safety and all these small modular nuclear reactors we built still isn’t enough to power the data centers.”
“Good news, we have this new idea: You know how there’s just way too many of you bc we’ve been banning birth control methods and spreading misinformation about declining birth rates? And there’s also not enough food bc of tariffs and a lack of available labor to harvest all those crops we let rot?”
To be fair, in exchange we will still get to enjoy terrible AI generated art and music.
misinformation about declining birth rates
What misinformation? Every expert on the subject is agreeing that we’re at or below replacement rate.
I mean my opinion is if your plan is to take away everybody’s healthcare, collapse the economy, close public schools, and decrease quality of life in general, plus do all these other crazy things that put the mother’s life at risk, why would it be a good idea to encourage as many new births as possible?
Also, I know n=1 but I really wanted to have another kid last year, but put it off specifically bc of the crazy laws Republicans started passing that put maternal health at risk. Honestly, I’m relieved I didn’t bc the economy has also gotten so bad since then and everything is so uncertain. Now when I read stories about brain dead women being forced to be kept alive to carry a fetus and give birth it makes me wonder if I’ll ever want to risk having another baby.
I think it’s dishonest to pretend that current birthrates in the U.S. at least aren’t in part a reflection of many women’s fears about giving birth during such a chaotic time.
I wasn’t referring to the US in particular, but global birth rates.
https://www.science.org/content/article/population-tipping-point-could-arrive-2030
Edit to add: I’m in no way commenting on the situation in the States, just clearing up a potential misconception I see very frequently, which is that the global population is still booming, when we should already be worrying about the opposite.
