Part of me wants to main Gentoo just to neutralise any arch smug I come across.
But then I remember I don’t really want a 2nd job
I imagine telling an Arch user you use Gentoo is like telling a Texan that if you cut Alaska into two halves Texas would be the third largest US state.
It’s only a second job if you ever want to add a new app
Actually, only if you want to tune stuff, like selecting from hundreds of USE flags and some may cause trouble, but who can resist.
This thread once again proving that complaints about arch elitism are 1000x more common than actual arch elitism
This would have been the perfect comment if you were from a slightly different instance
Edit: wait there is (was?) an “I use arch btw” instance right? I’m not imagining it?
This guy uses arch btw.No seriously, there’s plenty of arch elitism in this thread alone, And other distros too. You really don’t need to be preemptively defensive about it though.
I just scrolled the whole thread and can’t find any at all, what are you talking about?
Elitism isn’t „I like arch and I think it is good for some stuff”, it’s „I’m smart because I use arch, you’re dumb if you don’t, and any problems you have with it are your fault.”
I’m literally in the process of switching my main from Arch to Gentoo now. (Yes it’s taking a while.) And I intend to be even more smug. Bwahahaha!
Warning: Hot take
Who you are and what your needs are will affect which distro is best for you.
Sacrilege! Burn the person bringing a reasonable perspective to the flame war!
Ngl, I was expecting something spicier than your utterly reasonable comment.
I would really like to thank the Arch community for maintaining such a wonderful wiki; it’s great that your nuts-and-bolts approach naturally generates the best documentation. That said, Debian will always be my distro of choice.
I’m officially off of arch now and back on debian, my first and true linux love. I used to love arch for the AUR, but I had a couple of AUR packages that took so long to upgrade, they were basically un-upgradeable. I switched from i3 on X to sway on Wayland at the same time, so I can’t say how much of my issues were that, but various small issues are no longer issues, like better Playstation controller support. And I don’t have to restart every time I update repositories because I’m not constantly upgrading the Linux kernel. And there are so many .deb packages! But sincerely, thank you arch community. I still use the arch wiki.
Debian my beloved
I really like Debian, it’s what I use at work and for servers at home. At least until a few weeks ago when I decided to try NixOS. I’m really liking it so far and am thinking of switching over my other home servers.
The best way to trigger an Arch user is to use Ubuntu and love it.
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I personally have no issues with it, but a lot of people really dislike things like snaps (seen as reinventing the wheel of flatpaks and using closed source backend to do it no less) and Canonical really sadly does have a history of making some really silly and thoughtless mistakes which were all bad for the Ubuntu community. I can see an understand those arguments’ validity, but I do think they’re just a little silly because there’s far worse companies doing far worse things out there than Canonical.
Anyway, I still like Ubuntu but I know it gets a lot of hate so I like to poke fun. Xubuntu is like my ride-or-die for old hardware.
As someone who’s in the process of moving to an almost fully Linux environment but only has experience using Ubuntu. Is there a lateral alternative or ‘step-up’ distro you would recommend I try given the downsides of Canonical/ubuntu?
Mint is generally the suggested new go-to for newbies, as I understand it, because it’s probably the closest to Ubuntu but has snaps disabled.
Debian if you’re going for something more pure, but they are a lot less current, albeit more stable due to that.
Seconding the Mint suggestion. I started on Ubuntu ~15 years ago, nowadays I run Mint if I need a GUI, or Debian on anything headless
so Canonical is the Mozilla of Linux…
If you think Mozilla is the canonical of browsers, you’ve been consuming too much of Google’s anti-mozilla propaganda after they announced v3 manifest.
One word. Snaps
Seven additional words: Apt installing snaps instead of Debian packages
That’s fair, haha
it feels corporatey and it’s not exceptional at anything
If you’re not registered (which is free for non-business use) the GUI softwate updater may tease you with extra security patches you won’t get.
I use Mint, by the way.
Same. After Unbuntu and trying Arch and couldn’t figure it out.
controversial opinion: distro/software wars are good, because they make people discuss about their software, which motivates the developers. you don’t see windows software wars, because they can’t choose their de
Pretty sure that for most things it’s simply that there’s one software that’s way above the rest or you simply have no interest in the fields where people debate what is best and on Linux you often are stuck with the one software that does the trick because there’s not enough demand for real competition that pushes devs to come up with something as good as what you’ll find on Windows.
arch, debian and mint all belong in 1st place
It’s amazing how much the combination of those 3 excell at covering almost any use case.
NixOS disagrees
My top five Linux distros:
- Debian: It may not be exciting but its rock stability is what makes it good for the vast majority of people (aka what I would genuenly reccomend to people)
- Alpine: Not the easiest or most stable but very lightweight
- OpenSuse: Stable yet up to date, very good defaults and themeing is amazing (especially on Sway)
- Arch: Ignoring the community or documentation you get a distro with up to date packages and not much else to seperate it
- NixOS: Way too advanced for me but I love the way it works, seems amazing for a select type of people
Of course my opinion is objectively correct and if you disagree im going to burn your house down with combustible lemons (made by my team of scientists ofc) /s
based, alpine is really fun for running on obsolete hardware
The desktop environment and package manager has a greater effect on your user experience than the distro
I used to use Ubuntu and Mint now I use SteamOS.
How does SteamOS hold up as a daily driver compared to Mint? I always imagined its like a souped up version of steams big picture mode. Is it a good desktop enviroment that comes with ways to manage files and make web app shortcuts?
It ships with KDE so yeah. Pretty good.
It runs KDE Plasma 5. I personally prefer MATE but KDE works too.
Distro and package manager are tightly coupled.
Agree. KDE neon is my daily right now. Very good out of the box. I just had to nuke snaps on it. Plays very nicely on laptops in terms of battery life, noise and temperature. Sleep and hibernate also works very well.
you can choose your de, and with some distros (like arch) your packages don’t come preconfigured. which also makes a lot of difference.
Arrays start at 0, which leaves plenty of room for SCO Linux powered by UnitedLinux
Wait, I think there was an underflow error…
Is this a scaldera joke?
It’s ancient, but I couldn’t think of a worse distro
“Linux heals the heart, no matter the distro”
- Someone.
Well, the Tuxies said it was NixOS…
Why is everybody so shy about liking Fedora? You don’t have to name lesser distro’s first to make them feel good, you can just outright say Fedora is the best…
Joking. Whatever floats your boat is fine.
It isn’t so much that fedora is the best distro, just that all the other distros are worse.
Using it is just common sense, not something anybody would feel proud about.
This is basically my view as a Fedora user.
College-aged me would have loved Arch. Maybe retirement me will have to play with it for fun in the vaults.
Present-day me however, in middle age with a growing family and a full time job already working on Linux-based software all day, is a total slut for Linux Mint.
It installs and gets running easier and faster than Windows, and is based on widely used and tested stuff from Ubuntu and Debian. It’s not the “learn how operating systems work” distro for sure, but there is a lot of practical use in the world for the “plug the installer drive into your busted old Windows 10 machine and in 15 minutes have a responsive useful Linux PC where your parents can find the Internet browser” distro!
I am very interested to see if SteamOS makes a big push into desktops, though. A whole lot more of the desktop Linux world could become Arch based.
Linux mint is the Toyota Camry of Linux distros.
I like to call it the Sweet Brown distro cause “Ain’t nobody got time for that”
Recently started using openSUSE Tumbleweed after 15 years of on and off Linux experimentation. I think I’ve finally found the distro to make me stay. :)
I’ve used Arch for years now but I recommend OpenSuse Tumbleweed to a friend recently
I have a computer using Windows because it needed a windows store app and the drm on those thwarted my attempts on Linux
