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“The game is forcing me to fuck this man, repeatedly”
What?! That’s terrible! How?! How can I replicate that so that I don’t accidentally do it?!
I was personally upset that ME:A doesn’t let you replay any sex scenes or romance anyone else after choosing one.
You get one little like 2:00-long cutscene of some humping and caressing and then it’s back to business as usual.
Could I skip it? Yes, but I paid for this content so now I have to see it to get my money’s worth. It’s not my fault I’m doing it, it’s the woke™!
Aww I ruined the conversation I gotta save scum the assgfuck scene again
Why do we still attention to tiny loud minority of GamersTM who whinge about “go woke go broke” and yet these still games sell like hotcakes? Just tell them that if they don’t like the game, then don’t buy the game.
I prefer to clown on them relentlessly and let them be aware that everyone thinks their opinion is stupid and childish
Allowing this to go unchecked or ignored is how we got here in the first place. “Just ignore the trolls” led to the trolls having actual societal inertia. It is no longer enough to just ignore them, they need pushback.
I don’t disagree. If they troll, troll them back harder. But the way the mainstream act is that these toxic GamersTM opinions have weight, when in reality their toxic views don’t even make a dent to popular opinions and sales of game developers.
There’s a whole thing right now where companies are caving to right-wing pressure about “adult” games. It’s not smart to ignore this.
Tbh, I’m not even sure where most people get exposed to these whiny gamers. Maybe I’m just lucky that the places I spend time on online and offline don’t overlap much with these weirdly conservative gamers who seem to forget that the moral panic conservatives tried to use to ban games they love.
I’ve noticed a lot of things liberals bag on conservatives for are things they don’t say IRL. The converse is true! We pick the most outrageous statements and say, “SEE! That’s what they’re all like!”
Preach, brother! Youve nailed it.
Literally I’ve talked to people like this. Usually when I was younger, but people aren’t known for growing up. And then there are Facebook comments that are just horrendous cesspools. Also the fact that 99% of conservative politicians are openly homophobic/sexist/etc. and that never seems to disqualify or register with their base and actually improves their chances.
No, many conservatives say some pretty awful shit on the regular and you’re either lying or ignorant.
A lot of Facebook comments are filled with these people. Every once in a while I’ll go there and see an onslaught of people whining about it but generally I keep to saner places. Hell, a woman goes anywhere near a lead role and someone like Ben Shapiro, who has plenty of loyal followers, is right there to bitch and moan about it.
There are plenty of these people around, and I remember even in person when I was younger hearing about people whine about a single gay cahracter in a movie so it is not surprising at all.
Who the fuck is still using facebook???
A lot of people, especially a lot conservatives, and being weird about it doesn’t make it untrue.
You know, I dont mind you saying “maga”. But I cant get on board with “conservatives”. They arent all one thing, any more than democrats are. In fact, you cant even say “maga” as a lot of them still want to see the Epstein files. Maybe just say “cunts” :)
Maga can still want to see the Epstein files. Conservatives I’m just so fucking tired of because there is no amount of evidence you can show them that will convince them that their backwards ideology is wrong. It all hinges on hyper-individualistic nonsense based on not sharing, and the entire ideology was created by people who believed that poor people were dirty and they did it because they didn’t like that the parasitic monarchs where being treated how they deserved.
A grown adult screaming about low taxes on the rich and throwing in with people who consistently want to strip people of their basic human rights is not a serious person. “I like gay people though!” well you keep voting for homophobes and giving them power so piss off. The internet is a thing, there’s no excuse anymore, and I’m done with these unserious jokers who can’t read or do basic math enough to know that none of their ideas work at any level.
Its fine to disagree with people. Dems and republicans for decades, disagreed, but respected the system. And just got on with it. Look at the state of it now? Neither of you trusts the system. You are both locked into this social media driven culture war, to the point that if you dont win an election, you call it rigged. The MAGAtards went further, raiding the capital and seemingly some were ready to kidnap and kill. But in general, republicans arent like that. They have different values to you, thats true. But they also believe that in the end, you are all Americans. MAGA isnt that.
Think about the time that old biddy started talking shit about Obama to John McCain, and he shot it down quick as fuck. He wouldnt allow his own supporters to lie about the content of Obamas character. THAT is your general Republican. Not MAGA chuds.
You can talk to a republican, maybe even see eye to eye on some issues. You can have an informed debate. You can have that with MAGA. All you get is lies and screaming. And the danger is, if you keep on confusing the two, you end up forcing them together and then you do have one big raging group of cunts. And no one wants that.
gotta be twitter
No one is. But we are all exposed to people moaning about them, while looking for upvotes…
All I ever see is an ocean of positive comments everywhere. And the moaning is always, like the person youre replying to. Using buzzwords and positive message to get up arrows… Like they matter at all.
Oh my sweet summer child.
Why do we still attention to tiny loud minority of GamersTM
Because a lot of them are well-funded or have big far-right promoters behind them, affording their opinions a disproportionately large megaphone.
Just tell them that if they don’t like the game, then don’t buy the game.
They make money by complaining. This is their entire business model.
“forced” to play
because the path of the gamer isn’t a choice™
Would be nice if you could play a gay dude. It feels like most lbgtq representation is only women
Yes! It’s that whole disgusting “two chicks at the same time” trope that allows them to get away with it more, I assume.
Also sexism. Women can do it because they’re silly creatures who don’t know what they’re doing without a man controlling them so obviously being a lesbian is acceptable. But a man choosing to do those things? He should know better
To me it also kinda rhymes with the way bisexual men vs bisexual women are often regarded in wider society. “Bisexual men are actually gay” while “bisexual women are actually straight”. So only the part of their attraction that relates to men is taken seriously 😐
Sexism for sure, in all sorts of permutations.
Women with a sex drive must be bi. Therefore bi women are hot.
Of course women can mess around with women, it’s not “real sex”.
She just needs a “real man”.
It’s so gross, and makes no sense to me. Guys seem much more situationally indiscriminate, sailors, people in jail, and honestly who cares if their guy is bi? Either you are monogamous and it’s a non-issue, or you aren’t, and your opportunity is wider for fun stuff than with a straight guy. No downside I can see.
Kojima’s got this one right. Every game has at least one gay character. You, the player.
Honest question, can anyone actually name a mainstream game where the main playable character is canonically and explicitly portrayed as gay?
I honestly can’t even think of one.
last of us?
Last of Us.
Life is Strange games.
Guild Wars 2
That’s what makes it even more pathetic, literally just being given the option of a gay subplot is having it shoved down their throats.
It’s so ridiculous that I question how many of the complaints we see online are even sincere, because surely people aren’t that dumb.
Yes, Life is Strange and The Last of Us. Pretty major games
Life is Strange series, Before the Storm. Not sure about the others.
A bunch of characters in Apex Legends are canonically gay, trans, nonbinary, bi, pansexual, and Mirage. As a hero shooter, I guess there’s no real “main” character as such.
Aloy in Horizon is pretty much there if the Burning Shores DLC is any indication, although she seems to be a work in progress as a fully developed person.
I remember when dinoflask did YTPs of Overwatch’s lead designer, he poked fun at how, whenever the game needed a progressive image boost, they would retcon a character to be gay at random. He sentence-mixed something like “Our fans are always wondering who’s going to be gay on our next update.”
FFXIV. Like the whole raid tier for Gia and Rynne.
In baldurs gate 3 people of the same gender certainly hit on you. Basically all romancible characters have player characters as their sexual orientation
I have an example that’s not gay, but trans - one of the two protagonists of Tell Me Why is a trans guy. (The other protagonist is his cisgender twin sister.)
Yuji Naka once said that NiGHTs gender was “up for interpretation”, which I think makes them nonbinary. That’s a pretty deep cut though.
I remember reading about that because I went on a SA2 Chao Garden binge at one point and really got into trying to get a perfect flying one, I even went and played a bit of Into Dreams and read the wiki.
It’s because they’re “dream beings” and don’t really truly exist so they have no gender.
The MISSING: J J Macfield and the Island of Memories is a great one.
Ending
Psyche. Though much of the dialog and written messages could lead you, like myself, to believe Macfield is a closeted lesbian undergoing community/family abuse for her quiet obsessions with a girl…it’s actually the less common form of LGBT. Macfield is a closet trans woman; much of the game’s horrific bodily mutilation themes take a stand-in for the dysphoria of being uncomfortable in her own masculine body. Of course, many of the same types who’d retch at a gay protagonist would throw up at the idea of being someone they didn’t identify with - which ironically is exactly what the game is teaching you.
I will ask a different question. In how many mainstream games can you actually confirm the main character is straight? Sure it may be more than the two examples of gay main characters, but still very few compared to where it just doesn’t come up.
Pretty much every GTA, Duke Nukem, the Witcher series, the God of War series, Yakuza, Unchartered, the Final Fantasy games, the Super Mario games (including Donkey Kong), even Pac-man… and that’s just the ones I’ve played. Then you’ve got virtually everything featuring Disney characters, Star Wars, as well as most other TV and movie tie-in games (of which there are many).
That’s the thing about defaultism, is you can play a straight character and not even remember you’ve done it because it’s just the default. I’ll bet you didn’t even notice that Pac-man was canonically straight, and yet if Ms. Pac-man was instead called “Pacman’s Husband Steve”, suddenly Pac-man’s one defining trait would be his sexuality.
If nothing else, you’ve provided an object lesson in just how true OP’s meme is.
I’ll bet you didn’t even notice that Pac-man was canonically straight
Well, I never played the official Pac-man so yeah, had no way to notice.
But while you do have a point about defaultism, I still believe large majority of games just doesn’t say one way or another, which is as it should be.
Transphobic dudes experiencing gender dysphoria playing as a woman
No one is forcing them to do anything. They can choose to play the game or to do anything else.
Oh and buddy they will yell about how much they won’t play a game and how their boycott will kill it while the game does just fine.
Yeah, remember Hogwarts Legacy… What a bunch of morons. Screaming about boycotts, and how they wont play the game…
The people I saw boycotting it, myself included, didn’t think that our absence would kill the game. It should have, because people shouldn’t be supporting a rich, powerful, raging transphobe but they knew it wouldn’t. Meanwhile “go woke go broke” really just doesn’t work unless your entire business hinges on a large amount of terrible people, like the customer base for cheap beer that dared try to treat people like people.
Besides, if your opinion is “they put a gay person near this game and that’s why I won’t play it” vs “the person who gets a shitload of money frok this game is actively working against human rights” and you think those are equal arguments I got a few bridges over distant water I’d love to introduce to.
Edit: Sorry, didnt realise how much I wrote. I will totally understand if you dont read all that.
“Go woke, go broke” isnt about what you are saying its about. It is for some people, those horrible maga cunts, but for the majority it means something else.
The problem is that word “woke”. It means different things to different people. You, I imagine, would say it meant its original meaning. To call out social injustice. Yes? But around the time of the rise of the online influencer, 4chan, started a trend of using “woke” ironically to describe online influencers who used social justice issues for their own benefit. ie “Dont forget to like, share and subscribe so we can fight racism together!”. Those people didnt give a fuck about social issues, only the money they get by saying the right things. Now, at some point, the maga fuckwits misunderstood the 4chan use, and started using it to mean anything that didnt have a white straight male in the lead role.
Now, what “go woke, go broke” means to the majority, the normal people. If that if you make movies, games, tv shows that pander to the perpetually online, people will stop buying your shit. And its true. Not because its a girl in the lead role, or a black guy, and an LGBT person. But because these characters tend to fucking suck.
Ill give you the most obvious example. Rey from the sequel trilogy. She is, what would become known as, a disney girlboss. The girlboss isnt just a female lead. Theres loads of great female leads in great movies. No, the girlboss is like a mary sue, but worse. If you look at Rey, the character, shes great at everything. Everyone loves her. etc etc. But she also, loves to tell(not show) the audience how much of independent woman she is. Did you notice, that she never loses a fight with Kylo Ren? Except once, which wasnt a fight, she was just captured. And that was only done to show as that she didnt need any help, that she could save herself. But the real damage is that because the character is never allowed to fail, she never grows. And worse than that, Kylo Ren is never a threat to her. He doesnt win in light sabre duel, a force dual or anything else. Hes not threat to her what so ever. That makes for a bad villain. And having good villains, is what makes heroes great.
Now, you can look anywhere you want. And you can see the girlbosses and online pandering shit everywhere. And you can also see those franchise, dying. Disney, bought Marvel and Star Wars because they were a girls brand, and wanted to reach the boys market as well. But in the past decade, they have taken both of those brands into the girls camp. So much so, that variety just did a piece of the Disney looking at way to get gen z boy/men back into their brands.
Marvel movies over the past 5 years, are dying a death. The Marvels making less than a 100m domestic, after the first movie making for a billion WW. Even WW money, the Marvel only just manages to reach 200m. And that was on a production budget of over 230m, not contenting marketing and all the other costs that would take it well north of 300m. All these bad movies, with terrible girlbosses, that are just women given toxic masculinity traits, have done so much damage that only a handful of movies now are getting past 500m WW.
No one wanted to play the new dragon age game, because it was cringe as fuck. But oh, look how many people played Baulders gate 3? Almost like including non straight white men into gaming, isnt a problem after all. Almost like, its the writing and the presentation thats the problem.
So whenever you see “Go woke, Go broke”. For the majority, it means stop writing dog shit that panders to perpetually online people who wont go to watch it, or play it.
And as for Hogwarts, who cares? Shes already made money off the licencing. Shes going to be making money on the new tv shows too. Who gives a fuck what she thinks, or what she posts online? You dont have to agree with her. In fact, you probably shouldnt. But then maybe, you shouldnt have made her villain either. Because, as you say, shes got fuck tonnes of money. And at the start all she was doing was speaking out for female women. Not against trans woman. But you all ganged up, and turned her into the monster shes become. She was one of the most left wing people on the fucking planet. And she got turned into a monster, because she wanted womens voices to be heard on the issue as well, and didnt want the language changed to accommodate others. I mean, you do remember that this all started because of the push to refer to women by their biological functions, right?
This whole argument, the culture wars, the gender wars, the trans wars, could all be avoided by just talking to each other. But no, “everyone who doesnt agree with me is a cunt” is everyone mindset. And its escalating into the real world. America is a fucking hell hole just now. The UK, not much better, and worse looming on the horizon. And for what? Because some fucking bigots who hate white men got power in the entertainment industry? And all of sudden instead of their being something for everyone, there was only every things for those social media deemed worthy. We cant even get a hot white girl into a pair of fucking jeans, without people crying online that is nazi propaganda.
Have whatever characters you want. But make them real people, not lectures, not panders, real. That means relatable. Like, imagine the last of us. But instead of brothers, Joel and Tommy are lovers. The story doenst change. Almost nothing changes. But Joel, would still be relatable and likeable. Because it was his character that spoke to people, not the fact he was straight. Shit, look at black sails. That did have a gay lead character. And he was awesome. Totally fucking relatable. Brilliant tv show by the way if you havent watched it. Point is, make good shows, good movies, good games and you can avoid the word “woke” going anywhere near your product.
I’ll be honest, I wanted to read it all but the skim seemed enough and moving my trans friend 3hrs away today is taking it outta me.
I can counter with one simple argument: Straight characters often suck rocks, are subject to the same lazy writing, and there are so many dude “girlbosses” in fiction it would tiring if we weren’t desenstized to it.
And that’s what’s really happening. We aren’t used to seeing a female lead all that often, especially one who is just a person and not ultimately relying on male characters. If we want to talk about pandering writing we can look no further than all the incredibly forced straight romances in media and we’ll have enough shitty material to last a lifetime. They’ll force anyone together so long as their genitals match up just so a movie can have a romance aspect when it never needed one. If their private bits don’t match it’s suddenly “pandering” and people clamber to demand some kind of justification as if there needs to be a special reason why someone is gay in the first place.
Youre right, there is male mary sues, and they suck too. I mean, The Rock has it in his contract that hes not allowed to lose a fight, and people just arent turning up for him like they were. But hes not a girlboss, a girlboss is its own unique thing, because we know The Rock sucks, but no one is calling us racist for saying it.
But look at Ghostbusters 2016 all the way to the Acolyte, and all you get is “if you dont like it, its cos your sexist/racist/homophobic”. Does that sound right to you? The general audience, is all racists? That youtube grifters convinced 153 million households around the world not to watch a good show because there was a gay black girl in it? Sorry, not for me.
No one is telling me The Rock is fucking amazing in Black Adam, and then calling me a cunt for saying its a rubbish movie. But I said I didnt like the last of us part 2, and I was sexist and a homophobe. And no matter how detailed I made the point that it was a bad deconstruction of righteous avenger, no one would hear a word of it. I was just sexist and homophobic.
And this is getting to the larger point, where the companies making these things are painting the fans of them, as incels when they dont like it. Funny how we were incels when we didnt like bad movies like The Green Lantern… And then on top of that, you have things like She Hulk and The Batman making incels the villains. Oh what could they possibly be saying here?
Last thing Ill say on the subject is this. I grew up in the 80s. When I was a kid, I bullied for liking star trek, star wars, marvel comics etc. Called name, beaten, all that great stuff. Now that Im older, Im still being called names now that those things are popular, or were popular. And it was the same crowd both times. The popular kids, who thought they were too good for nerd stuff in the past and now think it should change in the future to reflect them. The only problem with that is, that they dont actually care about it. And now, the nerds like me have been chased off. We are going either. And thats how you take a 2 billion a movie franchise, and turn it into a tv franchise that cant even make CW numbers.
Theres really no way around it. The treatment of the core audience, has chased everyone away. Star Wars, Marvel, etc. And now Disney is looking for a new IP to bring the boys back… Its insane. They had two of the biggest boy brands on the planet, and then made a massive big deal about making them for women. Who dont care about it. Cos most women, dont care about that stuff. Most probably just go with their boyfriends, but that they arent going…
Anyway, thanks for reading. Bigger thanks for not letting this get into a name calling match. Good luck with the move, and have a great weekend.
This is why games should allow modding.
I do love modding games.
I want to be something else when I play games. I don’t understand this need to be the same thing I am every fucking day. Bring on other genders, sexes, races, species, colors, limbs, all of it. Let’s be different. It’s a fucking video game.
Looking at my game library, I seem to prefer blank slate player characters.
In Factorio, you play as a humanoid in a jumpsuit. In Satisfactory, you play as a humanoid in a jumpsuit. Infinifactory you play as a humanoid in a space suit. Antichamber you play as some being that can hold a gun-like tool. Buckshot Roulette you play as…something that can fire a shotgun. In all Half-Life and Portal games you play as a series of named but barely characterized people. Return of the Obra Dinn you play as an investigator, each time you start the game it randomly chooses a male or female voice for the player character. In Subnautica, you play as a stuffed wetsuit.
Get so weird slimey tentacled dozen limbed furry scaley shit going.
That’s nothing, I was forced to play a snake that was eating small dots and getting longer and longer.
Feel like dudes who refuse to ever play as women or in simulated gay relationships are just depriving themselves of some quality content. I haven’t gotten to this BG3 playthrough yet, but you can’t tell me Ascended Astarion and Ambition Gale won’t be the most toxic codependent enabling shit ever, and it is gonna be enthralling to watch that heat up and burn down.
Stay away from Gale. The mechanics of romancing him are more toxic than the character themself. There is no indication of when he locks you out of other options. It’s like playing “Set a Boundary Simulator”. Least fulfilling romance imo. What a fucking weirdo.
Definitely go full in, “I can fix him” with Astarion.
Talking from many patches ago fwiw, maybe some of the mechanics were fixed.
I’m not even gay, but the first time I played Life is Strange (the first one) and when the option to…
Massive Life is Strange 1 Spoilers
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…the option for Max to kiss Chloe showed up, I immediatly went for the kiss (well… the first time was a dare and that was barely even a kiss)
Their relationship is just so sweet.
I chose to sacrifice Arcadia Bay cuz fuck the dumb corrupt town. Max&Chloe is the canon ending to me. (The butterfly killed Arcadia Bay, #notmax’sfault)
I remember when I actually met Nazi’s in Kotakuinaction over on Reddit. And the mods banned me for pointing it out.
Anytime I see anything from that sub in Google results I immediately skip it.
I mean they worship Asmongold as some hero of masculinity, among others.
I mean. They are all losers. You can smell it in the way they talk. None of them have ever had their dicks touched without over paying.
I did learn a lot of modding with my commitment to play gay characters at least. Thanks compulsory heterosexuality for teaching me to Google things like “Carth gay”!
One of the first mods I tried to mess with was The Underground for Morrowind (which Skyrim’s Dawnguard is 100% a rip off of btw) because it forces you into a het relationship as part of the storyline. Unfortunately, it was such a crashy mess that just changing all the gender checks didn’t help.
People assume heterosexual is the default and get pissy at anything else, they’re completely spoiled. I can’t really think of any video games which force you to be a gay dude, unless you’re playing like Dream Daddy? The Last of Us Part 2 has you play as a lesbian, and I guess the usual crowd did have a meltdown over Abby not looking like a Princess.
