This is pretty clear to anyone who has ever played a game of Counterstrike or whatever and a woman makes the mistake of using voice chat. You’ll get the whole gamut from misogynistic nonsense to the most awkward and creepy attempts to hit on them possible, pretty much every time.
I’m not into gaming, but my wife used to be into it. When we were dating, we’d play call of duty together (side-by-side consoles). She’d get on voice chat, get teased a bit by teenage boys, and then proceed to utterly destroy them. Sometimes they’d scream and curse, accuse her of cheating, accuse her of having a guy play for her (lol her man sucks at this), and so on. She’d just mock them, call them horrible names, and then specifically target and spawn camp the little shits until they rage quit.
It was fucking awesome, and it was alway a laugh riot for the other (more mature, less sexist) folks in the match. I love her so much.
I suspect the environment is different depending on the game. I never witnessed any of that in overwatch back when I used to play for instance. Though I pretty much never play multiplayer games without at least one friend so the numbers are skewed a bit by having at least 2 non-weirdos on the team
It’s just one joke, over and over again. I’m a guy, but one of the reasons I stopped going to lan parties was hearing this same few jokes again and again whenever a woman showed up. If it wasn’t a woman, it would be something else from the limited number of topics and opinions they had. When it wasn’t frustrating, it was simply boring.
What’s the one joke?
Probably “A WOMAN is in the VC? AWOOOGA amirite guys?!?!”
Yeah, except this was irl at a lan part. Where they could see the woman’s lack of response. Whether they came with their boyfriend or alone, they never showed up to a second time.
“girls don’t play video games”
Oh, right, THAT one.
But if you just treat them like normal you can make some good friends. I had a group of women I played CS with for quite a while after playing with them as a random and just treating them like regular people for once.
It takes absolutely nothing to just not act like you’re amazed at talking to a woman. They’re just people trying to have fun in the game, just like you and every other teammate you’ve had. Don’t treat them any differently.
I don’t doubt this but now I’m really curious about the numbers. Is it the same on PC? How do women’s experience compare to other genders in similar surveys?
For how other genders fair, it’s almost entirely dependent on your voice, so feminine sounding people almost certainly get the same treatment, and masculine sounding people just get treated like normal.
oh dang, women have been telling you for the past like 40 years that video games are an incredibly exclusionary space and turns out they weren’t just lying??? crazy, it’s almost like we should be listening to people when they have problems in a community. i mean jfc people actually needed a study to prove this? ask any woman who’s ever attempted to speak in game chat what happens, just ask.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros.
Oh wow, I didn’t knew that Super Mario or Tetris on the NES was an “incredibly exclusionary space” because that’s not how I remember it.
I’m glad you taught me that.
Being a girl trying to talk about video games with boys was generally horrible, it’s not just the multiplayer experience, the ‘you like games, then name every X ever!’ followed by bullying has been alive and well for over 30 years.
So, to participate in modern gaming, women should play games from 40 years ago?
Well you win the most asinine comment I’ve read today.
Even I remember girls getting crapped on in the arcades.
oh yeah i’m sure your half rotten memory is a reliable source, thanks grandpappy
“Researchers surveyed 1,000 women of all ages across the UK who play mobile games.”
Shows a picture of a woman holding what appears to be a PS4 controller.
Poifect.
I think it’s a black PS5 controller. No light.
Trackpad looked wrong is why I went PS4, but yeah you’re probably right.
Yeah that’s definitely not going to be exclusive to mobile games, but I always feel like mobile games are generally more isolating to begin with.
i mean of course youre going to have a conclusion like that polling exclusively mobile game players. For example had they polled female MMO players (there are a lot), the results would likely be far different.
Eh, I’m one of those MMO ‘females’. I have to be really cautious when I first join a guild. I’m often seen as a ‘female’ first and gamer second. The amount of times I’ve gotten OnlyFans comments is way too high. I’ve had the best luck in multiplayer FPS games. The downfall of Bungie hits me hard because Destiny in particular was a great place to be a woman gamer. Can you do the mechanic and communicate? That’s all a good team wants.
Absolutely, in a guild with a female GM and we’ve collected a fair number of female gamers because of it. But we still end up kicking folks occasionally because they lose their shit when they hear a female on discord.
I’ve been playing a certain well known game for over a decade now. I’ve developed such skill at never specifying anything that could out my gender I could put it on a resume.
It’s actually quite fun. Oh the stuff men talk about when they don’t know there’s a lass in their raid group lolol
Now that I’m “old”, it ain’t about guilt, shame, or exclusion, it’s about how fun this facade is. Y’all neeeever know. So keep talking.
“ackshually mobile games don’t count as real games 🤓” - lemmy users
“women avoid me 🤓” - same lemmy users
“ackshually mobile games don’t count as real games 🤓”
Yeah, that is pretty much true. Or at least you should consider the difference between the types of gaming cultures.
Mobile games: There are several studies out about mobile games and the tactics used to keep you playing. This is a very significant difference, as many are pay to win or as a vehicle for ads, so they are designed to keep you playing rather than an end goal. They are convenient and easy to pick up and often used to “kill time”.
Studies have shown a correlation between frustration, loneliness, unsocial behaviours in both sexes for mobile games. In the article they said the women felt guilt and shame, but mobile gaming studies show they are not alone. Although many studies suggest that women play more of these types of games then men, which skews the results.
So I think it is a valid to question the title that uses the phrase “gaming culture” when there is very little “culture” in psychologically driven revenue generators.
Like this comment on hacker news: “…boatload of psychological exploitation tricks that we used to keep people playing (and paying). The game mechanics were literally a rigged slot machine. The meta-game was designed to constantly tantalize you with something just out of reach.”
Just like gambling addiction, a constant dopamine machine will make people feel guilty, irritable, and depressed.
cool opinion, can you run it through one more time and ask for bullet points so I don’t have to read it?
Implying I used AI? I did not. You should know that, the grammar is not very good and I rambled a bit.
The only thing I did do was use duckduckgo to get the quote right if it wasnt as I remembered it.
So do you have anything to say or did you just want to whine about AI?
I couldn’t believe that someone would reply to my stupid comment with that many words so I didn’t read it.
You saw something about women and video games that you could not tolerate, so you constructed a chain of “logic” that:
- gatekept gaming and gaming culture
- tried to remove gender from the equation
- shifted the blame away from something you like (gaming culture)
- shifted the blame onto something you don’t like (mobile games)
- displayed your ignorance about mobile gaming
You’re so smart to realize that this is a simple phenomenon with a neat, tidy, and convenient explanation that doesn’t offend any gamers who don’t like women.
Typical Reddit playbook. I wish your comment was AI.
You didn’t read it. A couple of sentences. Wow. I wrote it for a reason.
Then you made up a bunch of things to claim I was doing, for who knows why.
So, ok you don’t read, you have some weird agenda to have a gotcha moment, you completely dont get why there is a huge difference in the psychology of mobile games then other games, and have no intellectual interest in understanding any of this.
Like you said it was a stupid comment, I guess. I was only hoping to address why that article could have had a lot more to say, and ended up missing the mark.
displayed your ignorance about mobile gaming
Ok enlighten me. I asked a couple of women to read what you wrote, and they find it funny, and disapointing. “what the fuck is he going on about”!
cool story bro
this research is about you
I don’t think you know what research means.
You are aggressively trying to project.
I don’t play these types of games with randos on open mics anymore, but it definitely felt taboo when a girl was speaking. It’s too bad there weren’t just as many to normalize it then everyone would finally hopefully move past it… Maybe?
just like in real life.
online there are the sexual guys who will buy you anything to be theirs.
And there are the annoying sexist ones. I think it often has to do with a primitive feeling in the guy of “there is a female right there that im interacting with but she isnt having sex with me. i am thus annoyed.” so the male does mean pokes at the female because it’s “her fault” they arent having sex. i’ve seen it a trillion times. “why arent you MY bitch?” pokes rudely
And lastly there is the good type of male who, just like the good type of female, can have fun with you while playing the game together and enjoying the play; simple as that.
There was that study that found that the men most aggressive towards women in gaming were those less skilled than them, I think about that one a lot
That same “study” uses evolution psychology which was proven to be not reliable. But hey at least we get to demonize men right as always.
The explanation for the data uses evolution psychology, but that doesn’t invalidate the data itself.
UK who play mobile games
So not gaming culture.
Shame and exclusion on display. Why do you want to put people down?
lol, wut?
Do you really need that explained to you? The article is about exclusion and shame in the gaming community and you responded in an exclusionary and shameful way.
Excluding and shaming who? Nobody.
I am not convinced that MOBILE GAMING is a culture. Gaming culture typically is not mobile gaming. Or at least it would not be where I would look to have this discussion, and in fact seems to avoid the real issue: online gaming in the popular spaces: xbox, ps2, and PC.
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Who play mobile games
So not proper gaming like on console or PC?
Do they resize this is the case for al gamers? No matter the gender
It’s not a culture. Don’t play online.
Can you elaborate?
