Wait, Pro-LGBT speech IS NOT allowed!?!?! Holy fucking shit, this isn’t a cesspool, it’s an execution by firing squad.
That’s a misreading of the headline. Pro-LGBT speech IS allowed, but often suppressed.
I remember there were plenty of little bitches saying that censorship won’t be turned the other way and that it allows to remove bad people from the Internet. That bad people should be censored, and Reddit\Twitter\Facebook when used for politics will not be abused by bot armies, and that censorship will not be repurposed very easily.
I was being accused of being a right-wing troll, a luddite, a retard, an incel and what not for saying that they were wrong on every point.
Yes, even bad people should not be censored. When they misbehave, they should be barred from the place they harmed, ideally not forever, but for a week or so maximum.
I’ve learned this not just in morals, but in practice, when repeatedly banned on one forum by an admin of directly opposite political views … for 24 hours max each time after multiple warnings, and only once a week or a month (can’t remember) much later when I joked about exploding Muslims. Despite that, I was (I hope) a good enough member of that forum for like 10 years after, till now. Apes waving banhammers today have something to learn from that.
But that’s not the point, the point is that even if you consider centralized censorship good, that’s how it works.
So getting back to little bitches loving censorship - where are they now and do they have anything to say?
Yes, even bad people should not be censored. When they misbehave, they should be barred from the place they harmed, ideally not forever, but for a week or so maximum.
“Won’t somebody please think of the spam bots?”
The problem is that this childish 'murican view of free speech and censorship has poisoned the entire discussion, because it assumes every speech is equal. It’s not. To think a group of idiots screaming on megaphones with the sole intent of causing a ruckus is the same thing as a 1 on 1 conversation is stupid. To equate a snake oil salesman with someone trying to sell a table is also stupid. Not all speech is done in good faith.
Censorship happens at any group, because it’s all about maintaining social cohesion. Remember when trump was first elected and several family ties and friendships effectively ended? That was RL censorship, because trying to mend the social cohesion wasn’t worth it. Why would you be close to someone who makes your life terrible?
I’m not talking about spam bots.
The problem is that this childish 'murican view of free speech and censorship has poisoned the entire discussion
No, it’s your opinion that you’re smarter than those who formed the “childish view” is what has poisoned a lot of things. The rest is either deliberate bullshit or you failed to read my comment.
Censorship happens at any group, because it’s all about maintaining social cohesion. Remember when trump was first elected and several family ties and friendships effectively ended? That was RL censorship, because trying to mend the social cohesion wasn’t worth it. Why would you be close to someone who makes your life terrible?
No, that’s not censorship. You are not forbidding all your relatives to communicate with some other relatives, or else. You are just ending your own communication with someone else.
Go away.
LGBTQ+Everyone, but LGBTQ+ people especially need to get the the fuck off of Meta services now, they’ve showed what side they’re on.Straight+cis people too. I’m downloading an export of my Facebook info as we speak in preparation for closing it down.
Did this about 5 years ago. Can’t believe people still use fucking Facebook of all things.
Or on Instagram, tbh.
What can I do to piss them off if I never had any in the first place?
What can I do to piss them off if I never had any in the first place?
Use an instance that has pre-emptively defederated from threads.
.world has not done so FWIW based on the blocked tab here. https://lemmy.world/instances
I just deleted my old, disused Instagram account I hadn’t touched in a long long time. Nothing even worth saving since I never uploaded anything to it. It was the only Meta account I still had around.
I guess advertisers have no issues with Meta’s changes. Interesting. A few years ago, they’d be falling over themselves to signal that “hate has no place here”. But it is no longer profitable to be LGBTQ+ so let the hateful bell ring.
Eh. The advertisers will be back to supporting LGBTQ whenever that month of year comes back
This year? Doubt.
Friendly reminder: Deleting your account won’t accomplish what you think it will.
Facebook will still keep all data that is associated with other users as per their own disclaimer. They also still keep logs that are "disassociated with personal identifiers. "
So all training can still occur. And understand what while Jane Smith may have deleted her account, they still have all the data it takes to indicate that User 12345 was tagged in photos with John Smith at the Burger King on 404 Fake St. And, because of that, the data that User 12345 had previously provided is ALSO John Smith’s data. And Fred Wilkerson since he was at that Burger King once. And so forth.
And ALL that data is still there for training.
So do what you gotta do to make it less appealing to other users. But understand your data is already out there and is never going away. Same with reddit and all other social media (which includes Lemmy).
Yeah but you know what? That’s still better than actively engaging with their “services”.
Eventually, it’ll just be bots interacting with themselves, given enough time.
Yes. Like I said. Do what you gotta do to make it less appealing to other users.
But if, for example, you are an LGBTQIA+ person who thinks this will provide any form of protection…
Eventually, it’ll just be bots interacting with themselves, given enough time.
It seems like that’s a good chunk of it already
If you’re in the US, sure. If you’re in Europe you can compel them to completely delete everything as per the GDPR.
No, I tried, they don’t comply, and tell you to make a complaint to your DPA and the Irish DPA or go to court if you have a problem with that.
And I am sure a company that is now openly training their LLMs on copyrighted materials is going to totally comply with all of that…
One of these days people are going to learn “But it is against the law” doesn’t apply to the rich and powerful, law enforcement, or megacorporations.
I was in admin chat on facebook and it was blocking any posts with links to https://lemmy.world/. I was talking to admins about firing up a lemmy instance and leave the FB group as a link to a lemmy community
No, it means all speach is welcome. Freedom of speach is a fundamental right and anyone advocating for censorship should take a long look into the mirror before calling other people fascist.
Cool, so you wouldn’t mind if I went to all of your neighbors with your photo and told them about how you molest children, because freedom of speech is a fundamental right. Correct?
Hey guys, I just found madcat’s CSAM stash on Google drive! There’s also a video of him masturbating to it!
Hey, I’m just using my right to free speech! You can’t censor me!
Are you aware of the details of what they’re actually doing? Do you know how they’re implementing these changes?
Clearly you didn’t read the article. The first paragraph is about Meta censoring LGBTQ+ content
On Monday, Taylor Lorenz posted a telling story about how Meta has been suppressing access to LGBTQ content across its platforms, labeling it as “sensitive content” or “sexually explicit.”
Posts with LGBTQ+ hashtags including #lesbian, #bisexual, #gay, #trans, #queer, #nonbinary, #pansexial, #transwomen, #Tgirl, #Tboy, #Tgirlsarebeautiful, #bisexualpride, #lesbianpride, and dozens of others were hidden for any users who had their sensitive content filter turned on. Teenagers have the sensitive content filter turned on by default.
When teen users attempted to search LGBTQ terms they were shown a blank page and a prompt from Meta to review the platform’s “sensitive content” restrictions, which discuss why the app hides “sexually explicit” content.
People who comment on articles without reading the article itself should take a long look into the mirror before implying other people are advocating censorship.
Free speech absolutists are so annoying. Your tolerance of the intolerant is so stupid. Yeah, protecting marginalized communities is fascism.
Go outside and check the political landscape. Now figure out how this change of policy relates to that atmosphere.
Now shut the fuck up about things you know not of. Protecting LGBTQ+ people is fascism? The fuck out of here with that.
Freedom of speech isn’t a fundamental right. If you doubt this try publicly and clearly threatening people with the intent to harm. You will be prosecuted for that action.
You should avoid using words you almost cettainly do not understand which in this case is “fascist”.
