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The Linus from tech tips is such a sleazeball. If I knew him in person I would probably dislike him enough to walk on the opposite side of the street. Too bad he’s associated with Linux via the name.
Torvalds is a C programmer who didn’t even consider himself accomplished until he made Git, long after Linux.
Sebastian is a warehouse manager who still thinks he’s better than everyone else because he worked at
NZXTNCIX lol.NCIX = NZXT?
I’m dumb, thank you
No they are different.
People always call Linus Torvalds an asshole, but I’ve yet to see anything from him that didn’t make sense. And the fact that he eventually took community feedback and decided to take time off to deal with his anger issues is commendable.
Linus TT can go and fuck itself though.
lol why the hate for LTT?
He took that initial gamers nexus thing and turned his whole org around imo. Their content is great again.
The new GN drama makes Steve look like a clown imo. And it makes the initial issue seem more and more like a hit job.
I don’t follow youtube or youtuber drama but you cannot really retroactively change the details I wrote below.
He’s definitely a fuck your feelings type. No nonsense and sometimes harsh but like you said it’s almost always justified. I’ll take that over fake ass, greedy LTT Linus “oops I got caught so now I’ll apologize or try to hide it and then apologize” any day of the week.
LTT could have just said fuck you’re right my bad, every single time he gets caught fucking up.
Honey: yeah we really wanted to do but that NDA was nasty and have you seen their lawyers, sorry guys We have ousted sponsors before but it just didn’t make business sense in this case. 99% would have went “yeah we get you”
Billit labs: We did not mean to fuck these guys over, erm twice. We have (repurchase the prototype off who we sent it to or compensated them for the price of machining a new part too sufficiently high tolerance) and if they provide us with a another piece and exact instructions we’ll cover them in a future video gratis.
These things didn’t need to turn into PR disasters.
Linus is giving away home made guitar pedals to kernel contributors
https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/1/19/281
Nive guy
For an embarrassingly long time I thought they were the same person, and I wondered why anyone would look up to that tool, and call him a genius, when he couldn’t even benchmark an HDMI cable correctly (literally the only video of his I watched, and yes, I know that it wouldn’t have mattered even if he did do it properly).
Now that I know that its 2 separate assholes, I feel like LTT is even more of a tool who leans into the identity confusion on purpose for more internet clout.
What’s wrong with LTT?
He did a video about trying out linux from a novice perspective. It felt pretty disingenuous and likely led many people to conclude they shouldn’t even try it for themselves. The part that was most egregious is that he installed steam in a weird way and on that particular OS config there was a warning that said essentially “IF YOU INSTALL THIS YOUR OS WILL PROBABLY BE BRICKED. CONTINUE?” He concluded a regular user wouldn’t read that message, which I find not believable. It was a very scary warning. He continued with the install and then acted surprised when the system wouldn’t boot anymore afterward, citing it as evidence that linux was not good for the average user. Many pointed out that if he’d installed steam in several other more common ways of doing so, none of that would’ve happened. I think he was doing it exclusively on cli, which a novice would try to avoid.
Also I saw a couple videos others did showing how LTT had hired someone from a big hardware company (forget which) and around that time started giving better reviews to that company’s products and fudging benchmark numbers of competitors to look worse. When others couldn’t recreate those benchmark results and released all the data to prove it, he shrugged it off without really admitting wrongdoing at first, vaguely talking about how they’d done their best. That was a pattern of behavior.
Also one of their former employees felt uncomfortable as a woman in their workplace, saying it felt really toxic and bad for mental health. Fuck that guy and that company.
Sources:
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-recent-criticism-of-linus-tech-tips-explained/
one of their former employees felt uncomfortable as a woman in their workplace,
All the other stuff is 100%
This particular one is 50/50.
He did halt production.
He hired a CEO to manage him.
They did put policies in place to make sure this didn’t happen
That’s a reasonable response. Better than I expected honestly.
We’ll never know if the investigation was viable. They either buried that stuff so deep it couldn’t come back up, or the other employees are okay and maybe she was oversensitive. If he had a decent number of women on his productions, I might even give him the benefit of the doubt. It might be that it’s a boys club and they’re all used to toxic ribbing. We don’t know, we can’t trust the investigation as truth.
In a vacuum, each of the individual items is just a red flag. When you put them all together, it does seem to form a pattern.
Yeah, I don’t know either. It’s always possible that one complainer is the issue, but like you said:
When you put them all together, it does seem to form a pattern.
I find it likely that she felt the environment was toxic. I don’t think she was lying; she probably knew she’d be making a lot of enemies.
Based on all the constant ribbing between the different teams on the show, I find it likely that there’s a lot of masculinity to go around.
When you’re running a business, it’s important to prevent people from making each other uncomfortable. Everyone you hire has a different tolerance, and it’s management’s job to ensure that reasonable expectations are met and people feel safe and valued.
To be fair, as someone that works in IT…most people would ignore that pop up
It was not a popup. It was a message in a terminal window. Which not only would most users not use, you’d definitely think they would rapid-fire Y when there is scary message in all caps right about the “y/n” prompt.
Edit: it wasn’t even pressing Y. To proceed, he had to ignore the warning which was pretty clear, then type out manually “Yes, do as I say!” then press enter. Regular users who aren’t total morons asking for trouble wouldn’t do that.
One of my favorite sayings at work is “you can’t make people read.” Some workflow has changed, and management wants to alert everyone? They’re very quick to go “oh just post a sign or send a memo.” No, you can’t make people read. People will miss it, even if it’s a gigantic flashing neon sign.
Yeah, I maintain that it’s not realistic that a person new to linux would do what he did here. I mean, sure, some people might, but the warning on the screen is really fucking clear it’s not a good idea, and it’s not the kind of “OK” modal that people are used to safely dismissing without reading.
Counter point: The removal of your desktop environment should not under any circumstances be within the possibility space of side effects for trying to install a common piece of desktop software, regardless of the warnings provided or confirmations required.
This was an issue with the OS, and the Pop_OS! team fixed it in an update very soon after this. A month earlier or later and Linus would not have encountered it.
So he nuked the OS on purpose and then blamed Linux.
Tell me, when should you ever have the need to nuke your OS in this way?
Does it hold any value to have this feature in your OS?
Because to me, it doesn’t. So it sounds like a Linux problem.
The OS did not work out of the box. He manually used the terminal because it did not work.
So he nuked the OS on purpose and then blamed Linux.
No, he nuked the OS because he’s one of those people who shuts down all thought when they’re outside of their depth and smashes buttons. His impression of OS’s is that recovery will always be there to save you.
For a beginner, he had no business digging that deep into the terminal without reading. They were trying to speedrun using Linux with no knowledge.
And this was early in Wayland, a lot of shit didn’t play nice yet. Hell some of it still doesn’t play nice.
If his goal was to install an OS, install steam, install OBS and play some games, he NEVER should have run into most of these issues.
At the time he installed it, there was probably a dep issue installing steam from his package manager. He could have installed it one of a dozen different ways. He wasn’t intent on making it work he was intent on showing it was out of the reach of the command user.
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Exactly. And for the record I’ve been gaming on pop os since around the time he made the video I linked in this thread and I did not run into that error he got, nor did I ever get presented with a choice to possibly nuke my OS. I don’t get what weird thing he did here.
On a video card driver install in text mode?
Nope… I’ll bully through an install, but when something says WARNING or CRITICAL, I read that shit. Nobody spends any time on error messages. If you see a long error message telling you it’s important, it didn’t get there by accident or an overabundance of caution. It got there from having to listen to a hundred people bitch about an unexpected result.
The Linux thing pissed me off. He went out of his way not to follow instructions and tried to windows bully through shit, then called it out as unusable. Then he repeated the same garbage in different distros like he wasn’t the problem.
Then there was when he had Honey for a sponsor, found out that they were link-jacking people, dropped them as a sponsor, and never said a word about it. He was the reason thousands of people were using the platform that was stealing from people and couldn’t be bothered to mention it on the wan show? When he dropped a VPN because they doxed someone, he had no problem with calling them out.
Then there is this whole spat between him and gamers nexus where his current response is well yeah I did wrong stuff, but they didn’t give me warning and a chance to do damage control which is unethical.
He tends to blow people at conventions off with “who are you and why should I care” meanwhile Luke is nice and amicable.
He refuses to own being wrong. He’s childish. and every damn time I go back to try to listen to WAN show to get news, he comes out with some other piece of crap.
Torvalds and Sebastion are both assholes.
His channel brings news in, turns it into a digestable feed for the masses. That’s commendable.
That was an amazing video showcasing how bad Linux is for the average user.
Probably block this community then, unless you’re a troll in which case I assume you’ll let me know here.
Why? Is that opinion not allowed in here?
If you hate Linux why are you spreading negativity about it in a Linux community?
EDIT: I apologize to everyone who has so far read this comment. I misunderstood what Linus Torvalds meant in the interview I mentioned. I thought he was just calling the Russian kernel contributors “Internet trolls”, be he was actually referring to Russian “troll farms” taking advantage of the controversy generated by how the Linux Foundation removed the Russian devs from kernel development without saying a word, to entice outrage and try to get the Foundation’s decision reversed. (afaik they had to do it because the US government ordered them to, and the foundation is hosted in the US.) I’m leaving the post in its original form for posterity.
I think the way Torvalds treated the Russian kernel maintainers that got silently removed from development (a situation that, by itself, was completely mishandled) was awful to say the least. In a interview, he said they were all Internet trolls, and referenced conflicts between Finland and Russia to “explain” his disdain for Russians. Say what you want, but I usually call a person that judges others based on their country of birth alone, an asshole. Not just that, but such behaviour sounds extremely ungrateful when we are talking about people who contributed in extremely important ways to Torvalds’ biggest project of his life. I used to have a positive view of Torvalds, but this kind of ruined it for me.
Linus Torvalds is still a Git
At least he wasn’t caught promoting a browser extension that turned out to be a huge scam that stole money from both regular people and other content creators trying to earn some affiliate revenue.
A lot of creators were tricked into that. The problematic part was that they realized the issue and completely went silent about the issue instead of raising awareness of the scam. Alerting about that fact would have been a great tech tip.
To play devil’s advocate, LMG is a private business concerned with profit. I would be surprised if there weren’t many other companies well aware of the racket that also kept their mouth shut.
This doesn’t make their behaviour justifiable in any way, but it does highlight how silly this analogy is when we’re comparing an open source developer of one of the largest projects I could think of to a private media group.
It’s almost like comparing NBC News to Salvation Army.
Right, and we don’t know why anyone would choose to remain silent if they’re aware of the issue, unless they were paid to sign an NDA.
He wrote a kernel that is free, widely considered as secure and paves a way for secure computer interaction among the general public. A tremendous accomplishment.
He may be abrasive and unkind but the Linux kernel has been a real positive contribution to all.
Oh yeah and his reach extends way beyond the kernel. I mean everyone knows that RMS started the GNU project and contributed so much of the operating system but it was the Linux kernel that finally got things going. When people were finally able to boot the operating system and start using it things ton off!
Hey, but he admits it!
LTT needs Emily back in front of the camera to provide a proper Linux perspective.
I pretty much stopped watching after Emily stopped being on camera and unsubbed entirely after the harassment and overworking allegations came out.
And I’m not even a Linux person 99% of the time! I do run a home server, but my daily driver is windows. Emily was just one of the only people on the channel that not only seemed to know exactly what she was talking about, but also didn’t behave like a total tech dude bro the entire time
Emily left a couple months ago
Did she mention why? I was expecting her to start doing videos again at some point…
Yes. That’s literally what they said
Needed to search who Emily is. I was totally out of the loop.
Yeah she was the best.
Sorry about that. I don’t know the right way to reference a trans person who was famous under their former identity but not their real one.
Me neither, I think the best approach is to use the new identity always, if the person is interested they can search for it.
I miss Emily. She was amazing.
juicy new controversy with ltt?
Steve called out LTT for knowing about the Honey marketing scam but not saying anything because it would harm his business (This isn’t speculation. Linus said it publicly.) LTT called for peace with Gamer’s Nexus using the veiled threat that Gamer’s Nexus comments are causing material harm to his business.
Steve responded by posting an old text exchange he had with Linus regarding a LTT Wan show that copied a Gamer’s Nexus video without even mentioning they they were using Gamer’s Nexus script (almost identical in topic order, format and words) for their show. If Steve was a serious business instead of a fan running a channel as a business, that’s where lawyers would have been brought in to sue LTT. Instead Steve only asked for acknowledgment- which Linus never gave.
The part about honey is a complete misread of the facts. There were posts on the LTT forum about honey scamming creators, and Linus himself said that within the creator community he thought the news got around enough to not warrant a video about it.
So many linux people have a hate boner for the guy because he’s got a prickly personality and makes videos for the unwashed masses, but he still has integrity.
but he still has integrity.
Ok you lost me there. No.
Could be mistaken, but supposedly Linus knew about the part where Honey was screwing over affiliates (like himself), and claims that was public-enough knowledge in the creator community at the time that he didn’t feel compelled to say more, not the part where Honey was screwing over customers, too. Also, didn’t he credit Steve via a pinned comment to that video?
almost identical in topic order, format and words
Apparently, that specific conversation was in Mandarin, and Steve was the only member of the media present who spoke Mandarin. I’m pretty sure that appending a simple “thank you Steve from Gamers Nexus for translating” would’ve been sufficient, especially since Linus wants to look like they’re such good buddies.
“ThE aLlEgAtIoNs WeRe PrOvEn To Be FaLsE By aN iNdEPeNdEnT tHiRd-PaRtY iNvEsTiGaTiOn.”
That’s… How it works? They didn’t inspect themselves and pat themselves on the back, but brought in pros, and worked with them and avidwd by their findings?
They set a very high bar in this one specific area.
Admittedly didn’t look to closely, but weren’t they the ones funding the third party investigation group? Seems like conflict of interest, I mean those findings would seem legit if the third party was agreed to by both sides.
Third parties don’t investigate for free
or I guess they do sometimes if you go to the police, but ymmw
How would someone better address a situation like that?
Open up to some third party coming in and publicly investigate and share their findings. Wasn’t this entire investigation behind closed doors with LMG giving the final “Yeah they said we’re good” message?
If that’s the case, that’s like me being accused of a crime and hiring my own prosecutor, judge, and jury in a closed court. No shit I’m gonna say I did nothing wrong lol.
Ah yes. “Someone said she was harassed. Let’s post all of the investigation details publicly.”
That will go well. There’s zero chance that it could backfire and turn a victim into a target, or suppress future victims from speaking out because the last person to do so got doxxed /s
Situations like this need to be handled with discretion so that you can avoid re-victimizing anyone who was wronged. Even if the original victim was found to be crying wolf, there’s still a victim somewhere who was wronged; The person/people they accused, for instance.
Okay, fair. When I said public, I didn’t mean to say publicly share every single detail. Obviously, there needs to be discretion. That said, the fact that all flow of information was via LMG themselves means there’s absolutely zero chance they will say there is any wrongdoing.
Another way to look at it is that they already had a media company with an established viewer base and reach, and they used it to broadcast the investigation details as widely as possible while still maintaining privacy for everyone involved. What would you have them do, get the investigation company to post the “all clear” message somewhere that nobody will ever see it? They already had a soapbox, so they used it; They likely didn’t see any need to reinvent the wheel when they already had a way to broadcast the message.
Have you ever worked in a professional environment?
Random people have absolutely no right to see the details of that report.
Shit - I work in the public sector where people can demand to see the co tents of my phone, but there are classes of information we do not share. Specifically, we don’t share details regarding active litigation, property negotiation, or personnel matters.
That he paid good money for.
Thats how that works no? Who should pay for it?
Preferably, these 3rd party investigations should be done by a regulated entity, chosen by a 3rd party that the business being investigated has no say in, with no contact between the chosen investigative party and the business being investigated until the investigation has started.
So yes, you are correct that LTT needs to be the ones to pay for the investigation, but they shouldn’t be allowed to know who they were paying until after the fact, and they certainly should not be allowed to choose who they paid.
Torvalds’s history of verbal abuse is well documented in public mailing list archives.
I can’t speak about whatever happened behind closed doors at LTT nor am I defending anything by LTT but Torvalds is not sunshine and rainbows either.
I won’t argue with you there. Don’t get me wrong, Linus Torvald’s contribution to the world is huge. And the Linux kernel being an open source project, I’m sure he had to deal with his share of angry dickwads.
In his defence, he did take a break and did some anger management therapy.
But, if he’s an angry asshole, than that’s what it is. I still prefer an tolerant and inclusive asshole than one that won’t own up to his mistakes and make women feel physically threatened.
So the real choice here is between a shit sandwich or a douche.
what did they do? im lost
A former LTT employee made claims of sexual harassment and poor working environment. LTT paid a third party to investigate those claims and unsurprisingly didn’t find evidence that supported those claims. A lot of LTT stans use this as “evidence” that the accuser was lying. Assuming that is clearly false logic, investigating yourself isn’t proof of innocence.
Usually it’s frowned upon to demand that people prove their innocence. We’ve tried that system and a bunch of innocent people ended up dead
Failing to find evidence of course also doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, only that we don’t know, because there’s, you know, not enough evidence
I agree.
When you’re the size of LMG you don’t hire investigative law firms for PR; you do it for liability. The goal is to limit corporate liability by removing individuals likely to get you sued, and most importantly to distance leadership from it with plausible deniability. The firm also has its own reputation to consider, and wouldn’t let a client get away with materially misrepresenting their results.
I don’t think its unreasonable to suggest that a positive finding from an investigative firm is evidence to support their position that they, materially, did nothing wrong. The fact that no one was fired as a result of that investigation is a good sign externally, as it would open them up to more liability if they knew about it and did nothing.
Adding to this, at least publicly, they stated that regardless of the outcome, the situation highlighted changes that needed to be made within their organization. IIRC, they didn’t produce anything for bit while they “addressed the issues.” I recall a YT video of Linus explaining all that. Take it for what it’s worth.
Personally, I think it’s likely that something happened that offended a former employee. That thing may or may not have been a misunderstanding, but either way, the employee felt harassed. I can’t fault how LMG handled it. Any other company would’ve responded similarly. I’m not saying they did the “bare minimum.” I’m saying, to me, their response seemed reasonable.
Not being held legally liable ≠ Nothing happened
Afaik the report that was done was not made public. If one side paid for the investigation and controls all the info in said investigation then it can’t be used as proof of innocence.
The firm also has its own reputation to consider, and wouldn’t let a client get away with materially misrepresenting their results.
Meaning what? What would the company doing the investigation do is if the claims that someone said:
I was asked about my sexual history, my boyfriends sexual history, “how I liked to fuck”.
I was asked to twerk for a co-worker at one point.
I was told I was chunky, fat, ugly, stupid. I was called “retarded” I was called a "removed
Where true? How would one even prove that actually happened to them? The Investigation Company surely signed an NDA and had no legal ability to release any info found in says investigation right? If they started releasing info that accusations where in fact true they would lose all their business immediately right?
Good lord. what happened this time?
I think a group of people found a dead horse they like beating. They enjoy it, so they will keep going.
I just hate fanboys who’ll defend someone famous tooth and nail no matter what, like that person can do no wrong. I’m just so tired of this. Whether it’s Linus fans or Musk fans or whatever.
I used to love what LTT did, NGL. I really enjoyed their channel. I also had my reservations at first when I heard that girl’s story. But looking a little further I found they didn’t treat their employees nicely, especially if they were women. And Linus’ attitude towards the people he wronged really irked me. So fuck him.
And every time I mentioned that story, the little fan boys come out of the woodwork and all reply with that same stupid comment. We don’t know how that company, that LMG paid for, did their investigation, we don’t know what evidence was presented to them, so what do we really know about this invetigation? Just because they didn’t find anything doesn’t mean nothing wrong was done.
What’s wrong with LTT?
Only 3 reasons to watch their type of vids, preview/review of shiny new tech product, technical expertise or entertaining hosts.
But these days, other channels have the same access to new products, they are definitely not experts in the subjects they cover, and I find all the hosts pretty dull.
https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
Here’s a quick roundup of some, but not all of the issues people have with LTT.
All these things listed are blunders (some quite big ones) but I think the person who responded to that comment with the opposing view makes a lot of sense. They added the nuance to the situation that the comment you linked to I think glasses over since they obviously don’t like Linus. Personally their (the response comments) take is where I stand on these issues too.
Obvious, as LTT has grown they have made mistakes but they have always explained their reasoning or otherwise apologised and tried to make things right.
Overall I think they are a force for good in the world. They teach millions about tech, how to use it, and how you can save money. As they become more corporate their passion may fade but I think it’s still there and I’ll probably keep watching their stuff for the time being
But you don’t understand. This is the Internet. You are either a saint or the anti-christ. There is nothing In-between and nuance is propaganda. And if you don’t agree with my currently held emotionally charged position, you are what’s wrong with (fill in the blank).
Unfortunately thats the problem with the world atm. No one cares for the facts, just what ever fits their narrative
The more recent context has to do with Linus personally, Rossman just did a video on it
LTT is a joke, but that’s why it’s interesting to watch.
Honestly I didn’t really care about the allegations until Steve Burke alleged that Linus told him he’s “less autistic then he used to be”. Its also annoying how he clearly has a superiority complex.
From what I’ve discerned, the fame; internet clout; and money got to their heads to the point they drifted from mostly impartial and helpful information to a more biased perspective, with which benefits their sponsors more than their viewers or the community as a whole.
Tbh, I don’t think I agree. The only times I feel they can’t really be impartial “even if they say they are” is when they use a sponsors parts to build something. Or otherwise the whole video is sponsored but they kinda are reviewing the fevice. I don’t really like those videos but they are very clear about the fact that it is sponsored so viewers can at least down some salt whilst they watch the video. They also do state some issues they have with the products when they arise which is good (though obviously they may not say everything that’s wrong with it)
They’re a bunch of Windows power-user clowns cosplaying as tech experts.
Long story short, he’s an ignorant asshole. Sorry I don’t have enough time atm to list all the detaills lol. Gamer Nexus recently made another post about him and his company which was also going around on lemmy.
Edit: someone else made a good summary https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian
Spouting shit and not providing any proof. Are you a republican?
Like I said I didn’t have time to list them as I am traveling looking at mobile to pass time. Since you are quick to judge, are you a Republican? :P
Tbh, whether GN is right or not I do find his reporting practices kinda wack. Not asking for comment before a video is put out is disengenuous even if the response. Regardless of what a response to that would be I think it’s fair to ask for comment at least
Previously they did reach out privately (like when LTT plagiarised GN) but after Linus said something negative about GN publicly unwarranted, they had a fallout and everything is done publicly now. Seems fair to me and he always reaches out to other companies first before making a report from what I can see. I don’t remember what the drama was about but something to do with testing a product when LTT made a mistake and got too defensive when they got called out.
Edit: found a comment explaining that with bit more detail https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
Gamers nexus was easily proven wrong too. Trusting gamers nexus on anything these days is just gonna make you look bad. Steve has clearly no problem with attacking LTT no matter what he has to make up in order to do so. LTT aren’t saints, but they aren’t making up shit in order to attack other creators. It’s just not possible to trust GN to be proper journalists anymore.
When was GN proven wrong and did they at least admit they where wrong? Everybody gets things wrong, it’s how often you’re wrong and how you handle being wrong that matters.
The whole copper heatsink thing? Like literally all of it (like everything from that video, not just the heatsink) was immediately debunked and Steve did and said nothing to take back his comments. If I remember right he even doubled down, but I could be misremembering.
If I remember right he even doubled down, but I could be misremembering.
Steve doubled down because he was sent the entire email exchange from the heatsink company and posted it as proof.
Idk his article had all the screenshots to prove the points from what I can see so I would rather take his word than someone who doesn’t mind harassment in their workplace.
Edit: found the article https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian
akchually one might lead to the other
You sound like a member of the FSF
