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Closeted trans person here. The fact that so many of you have dared to live as yourselves, and to keep fighting in the face of increasing odds, is the reason I’m still here.
Never underestimate just how much it means for the world that you exist, as you are.
I live in San Diego, and I have met maybe 3 or 4 trans folks in my day to day vibes. Nobody has been weird or inappropriate. Nobody has been anything other than human in the nearly 20 California years I’ve lived here. The fact that there are national effing laws aimed at an actual handful of folks is absolutely wild to me. I’m a ~40 year old cis white male, but you will always have me in the fight, as will anyone else just trying to live life. Stay excellent to one-another, love y’all 💗
No trans person has ever done anything bad to anyone I care about.
All Republicans have.
Whoever you are, by whatever name/gender. You are worth it.
“You are not worse for your association with the world, but it is better for its association with you.”
- Brandon Sanderson (Oathbringer)
I’m not trans myself, but I’d be willing to die to defend my friends who are
Thanks you. Always very heartening to know that there are at least some people on your side.
I will always have your back. I will have the back of anyone judged by their inherent traits.
<3
Thanncs :3c
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Joining a wholesome community and downvote Posts. Cool.
Bigots that deserve bans. Technically we could see who downvoted, is one of the “problems” with Lemmy…
Just out of curiosity, how do you go about seeing who downvoted what? It would make a nice block list.
It’s not direct, Lemmy doesn’t reveal these itself, but votes being federated to Mbin are exposed because that software shows them. So you’d have to use an account over there, joinmbin.org … for technical details, see github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4967
While we are at it, if you wanted to make your votes privates, join piefed.social ;)
I’m all about positivity, but let’s be real: the World is not better or worse because of someone’s sexuality or gender identity, but is a lot worse for everyone because of the existence of bigoted people that have nothing better to do than meddle in other people’s lives.
In a bigoted world, even the existence of the oppressed is a strike against bigotry.
Survive, and the world is better for it.
I like that. It makes the fight to keep breathing another day something not strictly out of selfishness. Because you’re right, if everyone stopped fighting those fights we’d lose a lot of people, not just trans ppl, and yeah, the world would be solely populated by hard uncaring Viltrumites.
Kindness must persevere.
I’d expect you to have exactly that opinion
So you acknowledge that bigots make things worse for everyone, but you blame the people they’re bigoted against for it? What are you trying to say here?
Where did I blame the oppressed people for the existence of bigotry?
All I’m saying is, for all the qualities a person can have that makes the World better for everyone else, being a specific gender is one of the most irrelevant.
Gender is a personal subject that only matters for you and the people you care about and care about you.
Change “trans kids” for “cis kids” in the banner and you’ll understand what I’m talking about. The picture message is empty of meaning.
To be clear, I have nothing against someone’s gender identity and I could have commented nothing at all. But this is a public forum, and I have an opinion on it, so there we are.
You were offended enough to “all lives matter” this post, which is pretty telling about what you really think.
If you really didn’t care you’d have just passed it by without comment. Instead you decided to insert yourself into a thread about people celebrating a part of their own identity that they find important to express how much you don’t care about it.
Insane that this comment gets downvoted here lmao people have really lost the plot
Bro, i gave up, this is getting worst than Reddit in some matters. And yep, or you say you love them or they will downvote you to Mordor, there is no Middle ground on Middle ground
You do know that downvoting doesn’t hide posts on Lemmy like it does on Reddit, right?
I agree with you on trans people but kids? I don’t know. It’s the same reasoning why we don’t give kids right to vote
Edit: I fail to understand why this gets downvoted …
Edit 2: I don’t have time to respond to actual answers, I try later. But just a reminder: The only thing I said is, that I support trans people, just in case of kids I’m not sure. That is all. And I got -28 at the moment and people calling me moron
since nobody has given an explanation yet I’ll try to, however I am horrible with getting my words out and someone else can give a way better explanation than me.
Most trans people will either have signs or know that they are trans before they are 18. I myself knew that something was off about me as early as 3rd grade, I saw a tomboy and told my parents I wanted to be a ‘tomgirl’.
By the time puberty hits is when irreversible changes happen to the body. This is also when most trans people really get the “oh shit this ain’t right” moment.
Imagine being trapped in a body that is doing its very best to rip your soul apart from you, then learning that there are medications that can stop it, but then learning that people who aren’t even experiencing what you are have made the choice for you to not let you access them.
Now imagine that, for 5+ years.It’s torture.
Not 5+ years. Experience it beginning for 5+ years, then for the rest of your life because puberty has no undo button on many changes. I will never understand assholes who want to take away puberty blockers from kids who need them to have more time to decide on the life they want to live. That is no one’s god damn business but their own, under 18 or not.
I wish we saw this kind of backlash against mutilating the genitals of infants.
I agree, but that’s totally unrelated to the topic of trans rights. Whataboutism doesn’t make the issue go away.
Right. I’m purely putting my own agenda out there.
I wish we saw this kind of backlash against mutilating the genitals of infants.
Like circumcision right? Cause you know, and you certainly wouldn’t argue in bad faith about gender reassignment surgery happening to infants. Right?
I’ve written papers on why neo-natal circumcision is barbaric and should be illegal.
Is this supposed to be a counter argument? I also disagree with mutilating the genitals of infants.
No, I’m just saying I wish we saw this kind of backlash against mutilating the genitals of infants.
There’s a much greater push for kids taking hormones versus protecting infants from having their genitalia mutiliated.
I would like to see more backlash against the former because I view it as a more important issue. That’s all.
Okay, and?
I would like to see more backlash against workplace culture that glorifies overwork and burnout.
I would like to see more backlash against tipping culture.
I would like to see more backlash in wasteful government spending.
You’re coming into a conversation about a specific topic and randomly derailing it to something with no relation because you think the topic at hand isn’t important enough? Either stay on topic, or start a new conversation elsewhere.
I won’t be responding to this again, it’s already completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Cheers.
And it’s fine if you want those things. Feel free to say what you want and I’ll do the same.
It’s clear though you’re upset that I dared suggest a different cause is more important to me than what’s important to you.
What do you think of the kids that undergo hormone treatment and come to regret it later?
not that big of an issue, conservatives like to play up the numbers WAAYYYY more than it actually is. Nobody is pressured into being trans, infact it’s the opposite.
Normal cosmetic surgery has a regret rate of 30% while trans surgeries have a 5% regret rate.
not that big of an issue
Tell this to the people that regret transitioning, bigot.
Nobody is pressured into being trans
Really? Nobody anywhere has ever been convinced that they’re trans when they really aren’t?
Most people who transition are happy with the choice, less so about people who question are you really trans?
You sure love semantics. Sounds very ben shapiro of you.
https://www.newsweek.com/what-data-shows-about-transgender-detransition-regret-1807448
Your newsweek article doesn’t matter.
You keep trying to ignore the people who kill themselves over regretting their transition because they don’t support your agenda.
Glad we could have this discussion.
It doesn’t matter because most people are happy. I’m most certainly not ignoring them. It’s an issue, I asked for data to back up your assertions. You could not provide it. I have no agenda.
Practically nonexistant, it is not possible for children under 16 to access HRT, if anything they are prescribed puberty blockers (so that you know… they can avoid suffering from the changes in their body and not be permanently affected).
The general figure of regret for transgender affirming care is 1%, and 82.5% of these people do not detransition because they are no longer trans, but because of external factors. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33794108/
By age 17, 0.1% of trans children get HRT. Source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2828427
Now let’s calculate some numbers: 1% of these 0.1% will regret it, that’s 0.001%. And 17.5% of these might not be transgender, so that’s 0.000175%
According to that second study, there’s about 300000 trans children, so 0.000175% of that is 0.525 people.
So… less than 1 child in the whole United States would maybe regrets it because they’re not trans. In other words, you can stop fear mongering.
https://old.reddit.com/r/detrans/
So… less than 1 child in the whole United States would maybe regrets it because they’re not trans.
Lol, the complete delusion among you people really is a sight to behold.
They brought sources, you brought anecdotes from reddit. Remind us who’s deluded again?
They posted a newsweek article and I shared what amounts to at least thousands of people who regret transitioning.
You’re upset because regretting transitioning doesn’t align with what you like. You literally want to ignore people who regret transitioning like the right wants to ignore trans people.
Congrats, you’re a bigot.
This may be news to you, but people on Reddit lie. Constantly.
Last I checked PubMed was a far better source than Newsweek or Reddit. (The comment isn’t even edited so I’m assuming you just skipped the part with the sources)
You posted a link to a Reddit community which won’t even load for me. I assume what you claim “amounts to at least thousands of people who regret transitioning” is the amount of people subscribed to that Reddit community. If I understood correctly that would indeed not amount to “at least thousands of people who regret transitioning”. Instead it would show the number of Reddit accounts subscribed to the community. Some of which are likely individuals who regret having transitioned, many others are people interested in hearing about it and/or excited to make fun of what is posted and there could also be bots artificially inflate the number.
Posting a community name/link does not equate to a number of people in the group that the community is aimed at and it most certainly is not indicative of the people that actually exist in the group.
I fail to understand why this gets downvoted …
Because trans kids exist whether you approve of them or not.
Yes, but there’s also a medical industrial complex that pushes confused teenagers towards transitioning to make money.
Which Fox News commentator is your source one that?
[citation needed]
Cool. One person talks about a trans agenda in this thread, another person is making up silly medical conspiracies to dehumanize trans people as if they had no agency.
Teenagers don’t even go to doctors by themselves. They have to be accompanied by a parent.
I find it interesting that an industry where lemmy users have sympathy for killing CEOs is blindly trusted with children.
There is a vast, vast gulf between blindly trusting the medical industry and accepting your personal conspiracy theory that doesn’t even make sense.
You are reading a bunch of preconceived nonsense into this. And one wonders why you need to.
So maybe start giving out free healthcare instead? Works fine in Germany.
It fucking does not and does everything in its power to stop kids from transitioning. No kid can just show up somewhere and be given hormones. No one is profiting off of selling hormones. They are dirt cheap. You’re clearly getting your talking points from right wing media, maybe go listen to what actual trans kids have to say about their experiences and kindly shut the fuck up
Don’t worry, I support trans kids not being allowed to vote before the age of 18.
Eh 16 is fine in my opinion. But for cis kids too then.
No, only trans kids. Cis people have to wait until they’re 18.
EDIT: do I really have to? Fine, /s.
You don’t know if the world is better with trans kids in it? Are you saying you think the world would be better if trans kids were all killed? Or that they’re not worth fighting for?
“The world is better with you in it and you’re worth fighting for!”
You: It isn’t and you’re not.
Also you: Why is this downvoted??
How the hell did you come to THIS conclusion? You’re now literally putting words in my mouth
I agree with you on trans people but kids? I don’t know.
How else is this response to that message supposed to be taken?
It’s different to voting though.
Puberty blockers have been used for decades with no ill effect. It literally just delays puberty, which is irreversible once a person starts to go through it. It’s much safer to delay puberty in children who identify as trans, allow their brains to develop, and have them get treatment so that their mental health is kept healthy.
Personally, I think listening to the trans community on this and having them give advice on how to manage trans kids is better than leaving it to general society who won’t understand the emotional trauma involved. There’s a reason why suicide rates are high with trans kids.
I would associate it moreso with children trying to tell adults about the priest who keeps touching them but end up being dismissed because they’re kids. We ignore our children’s voices to our own detriment.
And listening to doctors on this. Apparently the vast majority of pediatricians recommending puberty blockers for trans kids since it prevents suicide doesn’t matter.
Since when has “listening to doctors” been an American trait?
I don’t know. They always put it in the pharmaceutical commercials that are only legal in the U.S. and New Zealand.
They always put it in the pharmaceutical commercials
taps nose so they don’t get sued
People, Americans anyway, are very good at doing what the TV tells them to do, which always makes me wonder how often doctors are plagued with patients saying, “Doctor, is Phabulux right for me?” Completely out of the blue and unrelated to whatever they’re at the doctor about.
I’d never really thought about it that way. Must be a serious problem though.
I understand it being a sticky issue for people because there’s so much of society and choice we put into the realm of adults. But here’s the thing. Psychology has been obsessed with trans people since the origin of the field. We have a ton of data on what happens when trans people recognized at an early age grow up and what that looks like when there’s no intervention whatsoever. The reality of it is that there’s certain things that there is no medical fix or take backs for once you experience your first puberty.
We know very well that gender identity observed in trans kids is stable. We have a rubric of diagnosis stable enough to have gone up against several National medical ethics boards and survived the scrutiny nessisary to opt for attempting risks.
The first generation of kids to grow up utilizing this process are now adults (the oldest cohort are now in their 30’s) and the results have been promising with an almost absurdly low rate of regret reported across the population…
But now you have to recognize why that rate of regret is so low. You need the signoff of a team of professionals who put the bar very high to allow candidates to attempt these risks and any of them can pull support if something doesn’t go to plan. Furthermore a child alone does not make these decisions the informed consent has to be demonstrated by the child and their parents. So when people say “kids shouldn’t make these decisions” you’re missing that they aren’t making these decisions. A kid and a panel of adults who are experts in their field, social workers and dedicated parents who have watched the difference in their child’s behaviour go from very obviously not thriving in a multitude of ways to massive improvements through social transition make these decisions.
People act like it’s as simple as a kid showing up and asking for a lollipop. It isn’t. We have literal generations of data about what happens if we do nothing. The outcomes are miserable. We can afford to try something different than known miserable outcomes.
You don’t know how to spell necessary… otherwise, what you have said is glaringly ignorant. What you “understand” couldnt fill a thimble. Your You’re an idiot and your opinions should be treated as such…
Oookay, you’re trying to pick a fight but not exactly landing an interesting hook. This entire sentiment is pretty empty if the best you have is to heckle my spelling. Are you new to trolling? I feel like maybe you should read a tutorial or something.
Come on mate, gimme substance! Refute the argument with something other than just “nu uh!”
All of their comments in this thread have been just as low effort. Kids these days couldn’t troll their way out of a paper bag. It all went to pot when we weren’t allowed to beat them anymore!
Heavy /s here. To be clear, this is a joke, and it stems from the trauma of my own childhood abuse. Still the troll needs to up their game.
No /s to the first part in my opinion. Trolls used to put effort into it. So few of them do these days.
Oh, no, absolutely. First three sentences are entirely devoid of /s. The last bit, about beatings. Heavy /s
I am fine with a stance like “I don’t know”…as long as you’re not pushing any kind of agenda as a result.
A long time ago, I was uninformed about trans people. I was curious and asked questions…but I didn’t push them into any kind of restrictions.
I’d argue I’m still relatively uninformed. But I know that there’s been no evidence of any societal benefit from pushing further restrictions on them, and there’s plenty of evidence of harm by referring to the various gender studies. That’s all I need. Even if I wasn’t actively pushing to support trans youths, and even if I still have a part of me that sees them as “weird”, I sure as hell see no point in standing in the way of their preferred forms of progress.
Have you ever felt gender dysphoria?
No, I don’t have gender dysphoria.
Also not I, nor you can build an airplane, yet we can have a discussion about plane building
But i have felt gender dysphoria, as well as some of the other people not agreeing with you
Using the analogy (please correct me if i misunderstood it), you would be contradicting a crowd of people, some of them having the job of building planes, about how planes should be built
They’re not saying you can’t talk about it, they’re saying you don’t understand that it’s inherent, so kids absolutely know they’re trans once they understand the concept. Just like they know they’re gay.
I disagree
Because…?
thanks for outing yourself
I dunno, I like peace and quiet as much as the next curmudgeon, but the world is still better with kids in it.
I know a trans male that knew they were male when they were in primary school. Trans kids exist
I hope your eyes are opening.
I pray for it.
What?
Edit: I fail to understand why this gets downvoted …
You’re either with them, or against them.
If you don’t give 110% support to the trans agenda, then they will immediately assume you’re Ron DeSantis.
Existing is not an agenda.
Right. Trying to control what people think and censoring anyone who disagrees is an agenda, though.
On these very forums, we’re not allowed to say we think trans women aren’t the same as actual women.
There’s no shame in mentioning this fact. I’m also not a right-winger. Good job proving my point that we’re either with you or against you and you’re trying to control what people think through censorship.
If we have rules against saying things like that which hurt some community members I think it’s okay for mods to remove them. If people want to say that sort of thing they can create their own instances and/or communities which those people negatively affected can avoid there would be nobody to remove them. That’s one of the beauties of Lemmy.
Also if somebody is really of that opinion then maybe they should rethink their definition of “actual women”.
They don’t have a definition of “actual women,” because every one they can give has to come with massive “exception to the rule” issues.
Anybody can say anything hurts them.
I’m hurt every time I see people say there’s no difference between trans women and regular women. Should mods remove those posts now?
No one is censoring you, they’re disagreeing with you. There’s a big difference.
Censorship is when people in charge take books out of the library because they don’t want black kids or gay kids to have positive role models. It’s when people are put in prison for protesting climate change. That’s censorship, when people in power prevent things from getting said.
No one is preventing you from hating on people you don’t understand online, they’re just disagreeing and arguing against you. That’s two sides, neither being censored. You are not a victim. You are just getting push back that you don’t like against views that other people see as unkind.
I also don’t believe that disagreeing with you is some form of mind control. But I’m not you, and maybe people disagreeing with you and telling you that you have nasty views is causing you to rethink everything and make you less certain that hating on trans kids on social media is making the world a better place for anyone including the kids themselves, but you aren’t showing any signs of that, so I guess the mind control thing you’re pretending to worry about isn’t any more real than the censorship you’re claiming is happening.
No one is censoring you
Completely false. On these very forums, we’re not allowed to say we think trans women aren’t the same as actual women.
Yet here you are, saying exactly that.
Not quite.
You’re literally saying it on this forum.
You seem to be the one trying to control what people think…
I’m all for people making their own choices. But teaching children about sexuality is wrong, let alone assuming a child has the mind to transition their gender. This is sick in the head.
Teaching kids about sex and sexuality is the opposite of wrong. Teaching kids their body parts, and why and how they are private makes it harder for them to be exploited, assaulted and raped. Teaching them about sexuality, at an age appropriate time lets them know that puberty is fucking weird, and hard, and not everything fits into 2 nice little neat boxes. It teaches them, that yes they ARE normal and not freaks.
Please fuck off. I really want to believe that you are just ignorant and mean well, but still. It’s hard being polite.
I am gay, and I have known it even before I knew what the word “gay” meant. Being gay doesn’t just mean “ooo I wanna fuck that manly ass so much, ooo I wanna suck dick”. Does being straight mean “pussy pussy I want pussy”? No. It can mean having romantic feelings for your male best friend, really liking to look at a male celeb for a very long time cuz they just “look pretty” and so on.
I was surrounded by homophobes who constantly denounced being homosexuality. I had to spend my entire childhood feeling that there was something terribly wrong with me. This was until I actually discovered the LGBTQ community. I understood that I was not the only “freak” like this in the world. I understood that I could live a nice and beautiful life as a gay dude.
If I was exposed to the concept of homosexuality in childhood (the fact that something like this even exists, and that you’re not a freak for being gay in case you think you are), then my childhood would’ve been a lot better.
The same goes with gender identity. I’m cis, so I won’t be able to give a very good description of what it’s like being trans, but from what I’ve understood from my trans friends, it’s pretty similar.
Why should kids have to suffer for not being cis n straight? Conservatives make it seem as if kids are being taught how to fellatio Jeffery Epstein or something. Kids do need to know about concepts like these (them being sexuality, gender identity, etc.) so that they can protect themselves from going down the spiral of self hatred.
I hate how people conflate sexuality and sex. You can be gay and die a virgin and I have no idea why some people don’t understand that. It’s about who attracts you, not what you do.
Exactly. When I talked to my conservative Indian grandpa about gay people, he was like “how would you feel if two bearded dudes just started fucking in the street?”. It’s really crazy how people can be so… dumb…
I have known it even before I knew what the word “gay” meant.
Same in my case. I invested my own word and told my parents that I wanted to be a “tomgirl” (the opposite of a tomboy) in 3rd grade.
Honestly it’s kinda wholesome.Honestly it’s kinda wholesome.
Agreed haha. So cute
Listen downvote me all you want. I’m all for people living how they want to. But school and childhood years are not fit to teach people about sexuality, especially before teenage years. If I had a kid, I wouldn’t want them to be subject to these topics until they’re at least 13-14 and that’s a teenager at that point. Most children have no idea how sexuality or genders work anyway and saying that a child can be transgender is such a wild concept to me. It’s the same as claiming a child is totally straight or gay. They’re children, what the fuck do they know.
Most children have no idea how sexuality or genders work anyway
So all the kids who make fun of the “fairy boy” or “butch girl” don’t have pre-existing knowledge of gender and sexuality expectations?
Then why aren’t bullies targeting girls for dressing up in boas and singing pop? Why aren’t boys made fun of for cutting their hair short and liking sports? Put a boy in the first scenario and a girl in the second, and other kids will point them out as being “different.”
If kids have “no idea how sexuality or genders work” then what, exactly, makes this type of discrimination possible?
On an unrelated note, your understanding of children in general is absolutely baffling. It’s clear you aren’t around kids much, don’t remember your own childhood, and know diddly squat about child development. Kids are much smarter than you
think.I’m all for people living how they want to. But school and childhood years are not fit to teach people about sexuality, especially before teenage years.
That is an unbelievably stupid proposal. By age 13 boys, and especially girls (because they start sooner) are well into puberty. They’ve already had sexual questions and feelings for years by that point. In the absence of any teaching on what is happening to their bodies and what the consequences are of engaging in intercourse too early, many of them will make minor to catastrophic choices simply because we wouldn’t have given them normal human knowledge.
If I had a kid, I wouldn’t want them to be subject to these topics until they’re at least 13-14 and that’s a teenager at that point.
How do you not remember what your own childhood was like? On your 13th birthday did you, for the first time, look at your genitalia and wonder what it was for or “where babies came from”? No, of course not. You asked some of those questions likely when you were 6 or 7 years old. If nothing else you are leaving your child vulnerable to sexual abuse because you haven’t told them what healthy boundaries are or at worst, sexual abusers themselves again because you haven’t told them what healthy boundaries are to be respected.
Most children have no idea how sexuality or genders work anyway and saying that a child can be transgender is such a wild concept to me. It’s the same as claiming a child is totally straight or gay. They’re children, what the fuck do they know.
Seriously? Do simply you dismiss any idea or notion a child has about themselves in any capacity until they magically turn 13? If they tell you their favorite color is blue, do you tell them they can’t possibly know their own mind?
And that is how you end up with pregnant teenagers.
And yet some kids do know they’re totally straight, or gay, or transgender, before they even turn 12, or 11, etc.
They might not have the vocabulary to express it, and others might not know how it works or how they feel, so that’s just all the more reason to teach them.
Imagine if we treated any other subject like this: “oh the children have no idea how it works, lets not subject them to it”. It doesn’t make sense, of course they don’t understand if they’ve never heard of it.
I knew I was into girls when I was five. I didn’t know what heterosexuality (or any other sexuality) was, but I knew girls made me feel a way that boys didn’t. And when I did learn that there were boys who felt that way about boys like I did about girls, it was about my much older brother’s college roommate and eventual best friend, who is gay. I think maybe I was seven.
Somehow it didn’t destroy me.
And you knowing gay people exist when you were 7 didn’t turn you gay? Whoah, that’s soo surprising /s
Somehow knowing gay and straight people exist somehow didn’t turn me anything, I’m ace, it’s almost as if it has nothing to do with it…
Sometimes I wonder with these bigots, like how does their worldview even remotely make sense? (not talking about you ofc to be clear)
Are you aware that girls can have their first period years before that?
In fact, there was a girl in my elementary school class who had her first during class earlier than most. She freaked out and thought she was dying, as she had not received any education regarding it. It was a horrible, embarrassing, and traumatic event for her that could have been easily prevented with proper education and preparation. This kind of thing is not uncommon for young girls to go through and it’s incredibly sad the way we view sexual education and our bodies.
If a kid happens to have two dads, then what the hell are you going to hide from them until they’re friggin’ 13 years old? And WHY?
I had my first sex ed class 8 and I was fine with it. My parents didn’t like talking about those sort of things and without school teaching me about it my knowledge would have been very lacking.
I’ve done stereotypically male and female things since I was 3. I didn’t understand what feeling like a gender was until recently and I have felt a lot better getting to explore my gender whenever I have one. If I had been taught more about it when I was young I don’t see how that exploration would have been different then from how it is for me now, except that I now am stuck with some permanent marks from pubery, some of which I do like tbh but some I really don’t like but could have probably avoided if I had known in advance.
“If someone touches you where your bathing suit covers, that is bad and you need to tell people about it” is teaching children about sexuality.
So that’s what you think is wrong.
To be fair that is only one (but a very important) part of it.
Sure. It was one of many examples I could have given, but that is one of the first ones kids are, and always should be, taught.
Did you not know you were straight as a kid? I remember being VERY aware of girls starting in like third grade.
Did you not get boners? Did you not have the Internet?
Don’t you know the difference between sexual orientation and gender?
Shhh, I’m meeting them at their level
Fuck off
But they’re not transitioning at that age. It’s puberty blockers used to delay permanent changes to their body. Puberty blockers have been used for decades and there’s plenty of research and evidence around to show that there’s no harm in delaying puberty.
On the contrary, there is lots of evidence to show that forcing children who identify as trans to go through puberty is traumatic and can lead to suicide. Forcing trans children to go through that is, in my opinion, sick in the head.
Wouldn’t you want to do what’s best for your child no matter who they are? Children are people too and it’s worth listening to what they say, especially if they’re voicing distress.
Passing knowledge is never wrong, in my opinion, and it’s never wrong to defer to someone more knowledgeable if you don’t know what the answer is.
I would highly suggest that you speak to your local trans community to understand what ‘teaching children about sexuality’ means to them and how it affected them, to get a better understanding.
Those are unrelated, fuckwit
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I agree. Children are very impressionable and there are bad actors who will try to convince them that it’s better to be trans.
/s right? Because that doesn’t happen. But I mean they are getting all these bad actors telling them it’s better NOT to be trans. That only affects the trans kids. Telling a strait kid that it’s better to be trans will be met with scoffs. Telling a trans kid that being trans is bad somehow will fuck them up.
No, it definitely happens.
I see it all the time and they’re not even ashamed of it.
Are you conflating “it’s ok to be trans” with “being trans is better?” Becuase those are not the same thing. Is what you’re saying anecdotal or do you have like a real source?
E: ah I see your comment history, I understand now. Please, what is the “trans agenda” in your own words. Btw, contrary to what you’ve said you’ve always been allowed not to like trans, people, or even hate the idea of people being trans, just like people can call you out on it, what you can’t do is take away their rights, that’s when there is an issue. P.s. I hope you’re against circumcisions.
No, I’m not conflating them.
Let me repeat exactly what I wrote: “there are bad actors who will try to convince them that it’s better to be trans.” I shouldn’t have to spell this out for you, but this means that some people will try to convince others that it’s better to be trans.
Are you trying to argue that those people don’t exist? If so, please say it.
Granted, you did say that, sure there may be 1 or two people who say that and you said you see it all the time, so surely its widespread. I see you aren’t aware of hyperbole. Now that that’s done with. Will you continue to conveniently ignore my questions?
I never used the word “widespread” or mentioned scale at all. I’m glad we can at least agree that it does happen.
You can figure out the answers to your questions on your own.
Where are you that you see trans people try to convince children it is better to be trans “all the time?”
Where are you that you see trans people try to convince children it is better to be trans “all the time?”
Sorry flying squid, I can tell you’re on a tirade and are going to keep replying to all of my posts if I keep responding to you.
I’m going to stop this now and put you on ignore. I hope you can realize for yourself why you’re incorrect, but it’s not my problem to educate you about the real world.
Goodbye, and good luck.
What a bizarre lie.
I may joke to male friends that they should be femboys but that is the extent of what I’ve seen. Whenever anyone says that they actually are questioning their gender I give them as much space as they need to figure it out themselves but am always open to questions. The trans people I know are the same and most trans people on the internet seem to be too. I wouldn’t be too surprised if there are some people who are not like us and do try to force others. I think cis people trying to force trans people to be cis are more common.
I may joke to male friends that they should be femboys but that is the extent of what I’ve seen.
Yeah, that’s how it starts. It’s how neo-nazis wriggle their way into places they shouldn’t be.
“It’s just a joke, bro.” Until it isn’t.
I mean you’re not wrong about jokes being used like that. In this case the jokes at most encourage them to explore their gender expression, I’m not suggesting that they transition in any way.
If you want to directly compare like that it would imply that I (a trans person) am sneaking into cishet places. This alone should probably show that it’s a bad comparison because friendship isn’t something that should be discriminated by gender, sexuality, race, or idk nose position.
I love the response you’re getting. A wholesome community until you have a different opinion. This is how you know Lemmy is simply comprised of the top crust layer of Reddit. The worst it had to offer.
When that opinion is deeply harmful, is directly contrary to all scientific evidence, results in actual groomers (not trans people) being able to take advantage of ignorance, and is generally used by bigots as a wedge to repress sexual education well beyond teen years–yeah this is the response you get
Basically what you’re saying is, conversation and opposing virepoints is harmful. Which is a fascist view.
I’m all for people making their own choices. But teaching children about sexuality is wrong, let alone assuming a child has the mind to transition their gender. This is sick in the head.
OP’s opinion about teaching young children, too young to grasp the concept of sexuality being wrong is simply their opinion. Many children grow out of gender identity disorder once they reach a certain age (not all, but many).
Your “science” is hotly contested around the world. Simply because you’ve chosen to accept a particular conclusion doesn’t mean everyone has to.
I’m not addressing the grooming nonsense or “used by biogts” comment as they are simply left wing talking points.
I do not suspect I’ll find meaningful dialog here as too many of you are hateful and close minded leading to an inability to have conversation that doesn’t include insults and name calling. Cheers.
It’s not fascist to oppose intolerance. You are attacking people’s core identities; their right to exist. It’s not an attack on you when people defend themselves from you. We’re not discussing our favorite movies here. Some other examples of harmful lies:
“People with dark skin are dumb”
“Women are too emotional to make their own decisions”
“Poor people don’t deserve clean air, water and food”
“Being queer is a mental disorder”
“Many children grow out of gender identity disorder once they reach a certain age” (seriously, this is totally made up. Less than 5% of people do this and many of those only detransition because of the hate they encounter)
Climate change is hotly contested too. That doesn’t mean the people contesting it have any valid points. People who are actually invested in evidence-based research, not those trying to cobble together post-hoc justification for their fear, have a general consensus that giving children a basic understanding of what is and isn’t sexually appropriate makes them much safer. And if a child asks whether it’s okay to like either gender, it’s easy to simply answer “yes.”
“Many children grow out of gender identity disorder once they reach a certain age”
I was curious about this and looked it up. Philip had a good comment on it. TL;DR, the studies people use for this claim are deeply flawed and should not be used as legitimate evidence. At least I know where transphobes are getting this claim from now.
Go cheers yourself with your lies.
Here’s an idea for you: leave.
No. But the offer is appreciated all the same. I know you would love it more if you only engaged with people who think exactly like you, and only have the opinions and conclusions you do. It feels good to constantly have your ideology and agenda confirmed. Makes you feel superior.
No, I don’t mind your difference in opinion, I’m more concerned with your vitriolic attitude, personally.
You know Garak is gay, right?
I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do with this information.
Show solidarity by not considering “think of the children” transphobia as simply a “different opinion.” It’s not far from considering homosexuals “sick in the head.”
No one was talking about gay people. This is the problem when you try to lump a bunch of alphabet letters into the same group. They’re not a monolith.
No, they’re not, but the people who want to oppress them and wipe them from existence don’t care about that. Don’t help them.
I’m not attempting to help or not help anyone. That’s not my job. But I won’t stifle my words or yours because someone, somewhere thinks it might be “harming” someone.
