Depends who would ban it. From my life experience, we have one side that definitely would because they get mad at anything the other side. ANYTHING. While the other side is typically more rational and has critical thinking skills.
I have heard that Obama supports breathing.
I heard Obama and Biden are anti mask and anti universal healthcare now.
I also heard Obama supports Trump, so if you like Trump it means you like Obama and that makes u a dumb librul. Checkmate, everyone.
Are you talking about liberals being dumb?
/j
When seatbelts were introduced to cars, there was a big movement against them. Some by car manufacturers to keep costs down, but a lot of backlash was from good ol’ natural born idiots so contrarian and averse to change they’d let themselves die just to give a smug look about not doing what someone asked of them. The sort of dumbass who during the height of pre-vaccine Covid would drown in the fluid buildup in their lungs and refuse treatment because doing so would be an admission of fault.
These past 9 years have made me DEEPLY cynical about my fellow man. There is no bottom. No level of malicious stupidity is low enough. It’s not even disappointment anymore, I’m resigned to it. Some people are so beyond hope, so beyond redemption, it’s like trying to get a fucking deer to recognize itself in a mirror. Just ZERO awareness, no theory of mind, object permanence is a fucking coin flip. If it weren’t for my principles, my absolute refusal to engage in dehumanization, I’d be tempted to write them off as another species just to cope with the dissonance that comes from seeing people acting that self destructive. Like it doesn’t make sense. You’d expect at some point some form of pattern recognition and harm avoidance to develop. “Hey, putting my hand on the stove hurt. It hurt every time I did it. It hurt everyone I saw someone else do it too. I’m gonna put my hand on the stove and it won’t hurt this time.”.
There are still people that buy “belt silencers” or sit on their seatbelts to drive without. Newer cars will alarm, and mine even shuts down if you drive without a seatbelt
I think those are mostly for super obese people because seat belts are really uncomfortable if you’re really, really fat. At least that’s what I always assumed because everyone I know who has one is really fat.
So dying is better than being uncomfortable…
I think there is a growing divide between the most and least intelligent in society, and it has been growing with tech advancement (the gap wouldn’t have been that big in the middle ages). If we ever develop superintelligent AI, I can see that becoming an inflection point in this divide because we (Lemmy dwellers) will become as fallible to that AI as the people you mentioned are today in what is still a human-dominated society. Introducing AGI will vastly exasperate the gap between the most and least intelligent and I can’t see society surviving that in its current form.
I enjoyed reading this. Well put. I also share this recent realization. It’s made me feel a bit less imposter syndrome. Among other things.
I used to live in a city called Asbestos, the mine was closed back in 2012 and older folks are still angry about it, they’ll even tell you that the workers handling it weren’t in worse health than anyone else in the city… The worst part is that it was banned in the construction industry 30 years prior, so they kept exploiting the mine only to export it to countries that hadn’t banned it, even if it meant killing people there…
LOL, libs are trying to ban asbestos! They want us all to catch fire! Asbestos causing cancer is a conspiracy, do your own research. Besides, Ivermectin will cure any cancer caused by asbestos.
/s (because the USA is crazy and someone would really post this and mean it)
Post it on reddit, and that will end up as a google AI recommendation next week.
Asbestos is a great way to prevent the glue on your pizza from catching on fire !
I can see them railing a line of asbestos just to own the libs. Better than vaccine denial I suppose, at least it limits the damage.
A guy I went to HS with definitely did this one time on a dare. A piece of insulation fell out of the kiln in shop class n another kid smashed it n told this kid he’d give him $5 to snort it. No one thought he would, but this dude absolutely railed it. Someone asks the shop teacher later what the tiles were made of and he says asbestos mostly, but it’s fine as long as you don’t mess with it. 💀
I keep checking on his Facebook every couple of years to see if lung cancer got him. So far, he’s still kicking lol.
“Don’t Tread on Mesothelioma”
Gosh, Don’t tread on me-sothelioma
We were here when history was made
Indexed by google (not bing or ddg’s array of crawlers yet) now.
DDBing (DDG) hates quotation marks, exact match searches, and is slow to crawl. Google’s right quick, impressive.
Thank you 🫡 was interested to see that
Until lemmy gold is a thing please have these medals, I wish I could offer more: 🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅
We can let Reddit go, I think.
It would be nice to have the equivalent of a super like that’s not tied to anything. Maybe a once a day thing. Could be easily misused by people like me with a shot load of alts though so maybe it doesn’t federate?
Nah man, it’s over. You’re free.
Yep.
Why try to re-create a cess pit?
I’m in a comment war with a nicotine denialist on here now!
In the 90s, there were still tons of people angry about seat belt laws. It’s every American’s God Given Right to fly out of the windshield and probably kill someone else.
There is this meme about:
As a left libertarian, I have a hard time arguing against seatbelt laws. As in, I know they aren’t consistent with my ideology, but the outcomes of having these laws are so much better than not having them. The only thing that I can say against them is that they’re one of the more commonly used bullshit pretexts for initiating traffic stops. I rationalize this trade off and violation of ideals by pointing out that the government has created a fucked up transportation market by enforcing car centrism, and until we can unfuck that, we need to deal with the side effects.
I think the argument is more about the impact on others. If you aren’t wearing a seatbelt, you become a projectile that can harm others - both in your car and outside of your car.
In general, I agree that ideologically it’s a little uncomfortable to dictate personal choices, but when it comes to road safety I think the government has reasonable grounds to enforce certain expectations (same with things like insurance.)
It is uncomfortable to give police more pretenses to stop people but road safety perhaps is one of those things we could have a hypothetical “good police force” take care of.
Government dictating that citizens MUST give money to a private company who then gives money to the politicians who make that mandate is wildly immoral. Insurance should be a government program.
Insurance as a whole should be a sort of “public union” thing. No profit motive, everyone who participates in something like driving has to pay some fee for insurance, maybe along with things like registration. Ideally along with massive improvements to public transit.
The concept of private insurance under capitalism seems at odds with itself. You have to pay out a good chunk less then you take in to turn a profit, and the best way to do that is be useless and fuck over your customers. (With health - Cigna was supposed to cover my top surgery. Pay for it up front be reimbursed reimbursed later. Then, later, it turns out that my employer specifically included a rider that excluded it. I’ve talked elsewhere about how I’ve paid CareCredit back.)
I don’t know if we should nationalize auto insurance without doing health insurance first though. Would the government be negotiating deals with mechanics? I think hospitals have structures that are easier to unionize and generally smarter/kinder folks than the general population. Mechanics tend to skew the type that’d get upset over navigating fender bender payouts with Uncle Sam, probably going to be harder to get to understand that their labor rights are good things.
Ehhhh… Traffic stops are more often than not excuses to fish for other, more serious violations or initiate a civil asset forfeiture. It’s actually one of the big reasons I’m hugely pro-transit and anti-car-centrism, because it robs the state of a huge excuse for initiating police contacts.
Don’t forget airbags have also killed people.
Where’d you get a picture off all my elder family members in one place!? (j/k)
Even better, people in the 80s when drinking and driving was made illegal: https://youtu.be/2xcQIoh3FQQ
Real men aren’t held back by anything! The belt restricts blood flow through the body! It’s a globalist conspiracy to turn our men into women!
Real Chad’s don’t let some dumb straps stop them from pumping blood like a REAL PATRIOT! B)
Imagine having a heart so weak that a little piece of fabric over your chest restricts your blood flow.
My father was an anti-seatbelter up until 2010-ish, when he got a newer car with a better seatbelt system.
Aren’t belts not required in Utah
Also there are pro-asbestos movements
Guess I’m just old
I am evil for this and I admit it.
Seat belts laws should not be enforced on adults. A windshield dive is a good cure for stupid, I bet a lot of MAGA would literally go out like that.Trauma, potential physical harm to others. A whole set of reasons they should be enforced. I get what you’re saying though.
Oh, I know it’s a bad point of view. In my defense I live in a no motorcycle helmet state. As long as you carry the insurance for it.
That is so fucking stupid lol. I guess you’re in a freedumb state?
You should see our gun laws. Buy it, carry it however and wherever you want. Constitutional carry.
In 2018, the U.S. idiot-in-chief tried to bring it back again.
Yes! How do people not remember this?
Because a thousand other crazy things happened.
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It probably would be FDA approved now.
Soon we will have “FDA approved pre-2025” to know if it’s not BS
Imagine companies explicitly mentioning the year it was fda approved and people talking about it like they do about a vintage
And also you wash it down with radithor! The healthfully radioactive water.
Asbestos must have seemed like a fucking miracle material. Suddenly, our tinderbox world was fireproof. You can build bricks, lightweight cladding, roofing and fences for houses, car parts, curtains, electrical switchboards and protective clothing out of it without the incessant fear of a house fire or clothing fire that was constantly killing people and maiming kids. It wasn’t synthetic or petroleum based, you could just dig it out of the ground. Yeah it would absolutely have supporters. They would be dumb, but they would exist.
I remember my dad being angry that they were phasing out leaded petrol and he had to buy a seperate additive to put in the Datsun fuel.
Still used in a lot of fireproof applications. Lab tables you see in chemistry and biology classrooms are a good example, most of those are made out of asbestos. Really, as long as it’s well bonded and handled appropriately, it’s perfectly safe. It’s just costly to do so, and greedy companies don’t care if their lax standards cause cancer 20 years later, so it really can’t be trusted in the hands of private businesses.
Most lab tops today are not asbestos based. There’s plenty of 40 plus year old ones still around that are and as long as you don’t break them they’re perfectly fine. But newer tops are all either epoxy or phenolic resin based.
That’s probably the case. It’s been a while since I’ve been in a chem lab, and even then the tables and equipment weren’t exactly “new” lol
There’s still some pro-asbestos people, so it didn’t go away 100%. I remember reading a completely mental Conservapedia article blaming 9/11 on not using asbestos.
That was Rush Limbaugh, may he rot in piss.
They used asbestos in the towers though?
People are just going to have to re-learn just how fucking scary the measles and polio are, I guess.
In fact, the industry did sue and win a lawsuit in 1991 narrowing the range of asbestos compounds banned by the EPA. There have always been huge waves of resistance to every harmful compound banned by the government, from leaded gas to cigarettes to chlorofluorocarbons that harmed the ozone layer. The difference is that the present consolidation of wealth in the hands of a small group of billionaires, who control a consolidating group of media corporations, allows for unprecedented ability to control public opinion. Meanwhile, the amount of junk information floating around in social media, and failing public education, has disordered our systems of discourse. There is much more limited ability to vet quality sources of information, leaving people to worry more about fictional chemtrails than about the very real pesticides in their food
Leaded gas still isn’t banned. Small airplanes still use it, and homes around airfields (including mine, which my family lived in before the airfield) are contaminated with lead. My daughter failed her 12 month lead test because of it despite us excluding her from outdoor activities in our neighborhood.
It’s messed up that there are still ways lead is used in this country. Ammunition, also, is a huge scourge on our environment, and sometimes people. I’m very sorry about your daughter having that problem.
Changed it a little.
In fact, the industry did sue and win a lawsuit in 1991 narrowing the range of profits banned by the EPA. There have always been huge waves of resistance to every profitable compound banned by the government, from leaded gas to cigarettes to chlorofluorocarbons that harmed the ozone layer.
If CFCs were banned today you would see people spraying them in the air to own the libs, also spraying their children with DDTs because RFK Jr told them to
worth giving it a try…do NOT, I repeat do NOT spray RFK Jr with DDT every time you see him. I am a liberal and this would really make me cry. Don’t do it!
Fun fact: They did. Rush Limbaugh had a proud “keep spraying” campaign.
Of course he did, goddam
Trumpers would start eating asbestos for breakfast just to pwn the libz
I wish they would
This makes me wonder if we can make a really convincing deepfake video to manipulate the Trumpets.
