So it’s made of shit, right? And shit is an animal product. But barring a night of drinking or a particularly aggressive burrito, shitting does not harm the shitter; it’s beneficial and required. Also the animals in question can and do consent, does that make it vegan?
Are tomatoes from tomato plants fertilized with manure vegan? It depends on how picky you want to be. The replicators just do it faster.
The replicators use human waste, so I don’t think the ethics of an animal consenting comes into it.
Not just human, to be fair. And they’re still animals. Could I opt my poo out of being recycled on a Federation starship, you think?
But if you do that, what happens to that shit?
They make you keep it in one of those cylindrical luggage bags and take it with you when you leave.
I’m sure they just get an ensign to do it.
“Do people really use it for that?”
“Yeah, it’s mostly that.”
Hah. True, plenty of nonhuman creatures too. But primarily sapient beings.
Maybe, but you’d have to find a way to manage it yourself.
Yes. No sentient being had to suffer and die to provide that product. So replicated meat, leather, or other “animal products” are vegan imo. But I also think concepts like vegan and vegetarian will have evolved in the replicator era.
What about wool and eggs and milk though? These are not vegan but the animal does not die to produce them.
It’s a bit tenuous to me to say that it’s “made of shit”. Made from shit yes, but it’s no longer shit at that point. It’s made from atoms that were originally part of molecules that comprised shit.
Fertilizer is often (most often?) made from shit. Would you say the plants that grow from shit are “made of shit”?
Modern fertilizer is generally made through chemical processes. It’s why we don’t harvest guano islands anymore. Nowadays they use the haber bosch process to make ammonia from atmospheric nitrogen.
So it’s made of shit, right? And shit is an animal product.
…Maybe? Usually, people are referring to nutritional things animals produce for themselves or their offspring, like milk, eggs, or honey. But shit is just the byproduct, not a product. It’s what’s leftover when your body is done extracting nutrition. Like, if a vegan was composting, they wouldn’t refuse to put dog shit in it, would they?
Yes.
Vegan cheese/yogurt (made from human breastmilk iirc) is the perfect example.Edit: for those down voting, are you assuming I’m saying all began yogurt and cheese is made with breastmilk?Because I’m not, I’m saying some brands are. So I’m assuming I wrote that in a confusing way.Nope, bad rememberer thingie.
To the best of my knowledge, there are no mass market breast milk products, and that would be weird and ethically questionable if there were. Commercial vegan cheese and yogurt is made from plants, I’ve got cashew milk yogurt in my fridge right now. Maybe there’s some weirdo making breast milk yogurt out there but largely that’s not a thing.
I read that thinking that it’s gotta be an April fools joke… and it is. See the editors note at the end.
Well, guess my memory goofed that one up. I had remembered it being a thing (and I thought I remembered something in shoprite).
But hey, thats why you can’t always trust what you remember!
You’re talking about sentient beings capable of making informed consent then as a vegan i would have no problem with the feces being used. Veganism is aimed to eliminate animal suffering and here we have a naturally occurring byproducts in which an animal is making informed consent and not being taken advantage of.
However, I’m not a big enough trekkie to know how the replicated food is programmed to begin with. Ive talked about this with my SO before but when you have lab grown meat then it still would’ve been result of a nonconsenting animal at some point and not strictly vegan. Replicated meat products are in the same category i believe. Also perhaps the food programming process used non-meat foods that didn’t derive from animal suffering to begin with (like a vegan burger that is deceptively convincing).
Great shitpost ;)
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The Ophiuchi Hotline by John Varley. Great science fiction novel. It comes to mind because the protagonist is a scientist who was arrested for using human DNA for flavoring her bananameat trees.
No, it is not vegan. Much like for example cultured meat, real animals had to be harmed to create the original specimen that is being cloned. For the purposes of veganism, animals are assumed to lack the capacity to consent to exploitation, in much the same way that children are assumed to lack the capacity to consent to various things.
