I joined, hoping that it is way less censored than reddit. Is that the case? Nowadays you can’t say shit in the “social platforms” if it hurts someone. I want to be able to say what In think and read what others have to say even if it hurts my feelings / views.
I want to be able to say what In think and read what others have to say even if it hurts my feelings / views.
I promise you, after two days moderating an actual large discussion forum, you will implement sweeping rules about who can say what about who. The only places people enjoy chatting anymore are places that are moderated.
We can complain about youtube and facebook taking down messages critical of power or corporations, but places like Lemmy are managed by people. It’s not censorship, it’s going into someone’s house and abiding by their rules. It’s a whole other topic if what you want to read/say is popular enough that you can find someone’s “house” that centers around that topic and is also large enough to have meaningful interactions.
And if you’re looking for debate, that shit is dead.
The fact that every community is now insular and bubbled echo-chambers is a result of human tendencies, we gave people total freedom on the internet and instead of using it to learn more and include more people in more conversations, our instincts turned the place into a curdled honeycomb of walled-off communities which were ripe for the plucking by corporate interests.
You are right. Well, off I leave 😒
That’s very unfortunate. I deleted my Facebook account a decade ago because it was flooding me with superficial stuff from people that i didn’t care about. I stopped using Twitter as soon as Musk bought it, it was shit before that too. Deleted Reddit a couple of days ago because it is impossible to say anything that the moderators disapprove of. Maybe lemmy will be the next thing to delete
I think a big problem is we aren’t really sure what we’re looking for in social media. We see things that give us satisfying dopamine boosts and want more of it, but also feel the hollowness of it. It’s exactly like eating processed carbs when you’re starving. You end up addicted with cravings for more even as the stuff you’re consuming makes you sick.
I was there for the start of it all, I’ve seen the space evolve over the decades. I was out in the pioneering days championing free discussion and moderating huge communities. I love reading someone debating an idiot more than anyone arguably, I get the same sense of satisfaction seeing groups connect and share great ideas and jokes.
But I also know the pleasure gained from that kind of community is as contextual as it is fleeting. We are not the same people we were when we first read some chain-post replying in stupid memes until it got so absurd we’re laughing so hard we can’t breath and we’re waking up our housemates. We’re just not “that people” anymore. Even the younger people now are living in a different time, we are so desensitized to imagery and text on a screen that it won’t ever have the same impact on us, but it doesn’t stop us from looking everywhere for a hit of the ol’ drug.
The difference is the type of people who are drawn to Lemmy are more technical, computer savvy
It is the same.
Big communities suck.
Small communities are great if you are part of the in crowd, if not it sucks.
Mods suck.
Admins really suck.
The content is the same, just a day behind.
It is the same.
Yet we scroll and enjoy it.
Fairly different hivemind here, I think. Still annoying at times but for different reasons. Individuals seem more likely to engage on a topic though. Maybe without instantly thinking you’re their enemy.
It took me a bit to understand this. I was so used to expecting negativity that i thought non-negative comments were being sarcastic.
“hivemind” is such a stupid bullshit concept. the only people who use it just don’t like being disagreed with. if you use the term “hivemind” you might as well be a reddit conservative
Congrats on being the exception to the latter part of my comment.
Congrats on being an exception to the penulatimate part of your comment then? My point is that “hivemind” is already a thought-terminating cliche. If you’re using it while seeking in-depth conversation, what do you expect to get? Hence me saying you “might as well be” such as such – which is very different from treating you like an enemy. Seems like you gave a bit of that hostility back though! And why? Because this conversation revolves around a thought-terminating cliche like “hivemind”.
So far, it’s definitely less toxic
Fewer conservative dickheads, less crypto-bro bullshit, fewer incels and the like
Someone made a joke that didn’t land well. I called them out for it, because it looked like they were being a misogynistic prick. We had a back and forth, they edited their comment to make it clear that it was a joke, not a bigoted belief, we had a good conversation and even a few others joined in with a swell of positivity
On reddit it would have probably escalated into something unpleasant, but here everyone actually had a laugh about it and we all noted the difference in positivity
There are still creepy children posting stuff in places like asklemmynsfw and annoying porn bots, but it’s still better overall by a lot
It’s going to be interesting to see what Digg becomes
Lemmy’s far less toxic than Reddit and actually does something about bigots/hateful people too
also you don’t get banned just for saying Luigi lol
Here I am , fuck Reddit
Belly full of ramen, couldn’t give a fuck about Reddit
I like you
You get banned for random views though. In particular lemmy.world is heavy on the censorship.
If lemmy gets more popular then corporate influenced mods will appear.
That’s why I switched from .world. Being the biggest target makes them more averse to offending corporations.
Lemmy tends to not take every sentence like an insult.
for example: On a r/PCMR post asking about GPU shopping I said “ive run pretty graphics intensive games and some LLM/Image generators too. Mine has been perfect, I don’t think OP should be super concerned [about only 10gb vram]”
I got -20 votes and a reply “Wow you should tell to AI companies that they don’t need 30gb in their graphics cards!”like OP was literally just a gamer 😭
although,
Lemmy HATES memes with censors in it. And leftist infighting is insufferable.Lemmy is how Reddit was in 2010. Size is what degrades the experience, the larger Reddit got the more shit it became. I am hopeful that federation will be the secret sauce that saves Lemmy from the same enshittification as it grows.
Less alt right stuff here on Lemmy than there was back in 2010, though. Early Reddit was full of libertarian ideals and free speech absolutists, before the consequences of those positions became apparent in the later half of that decade.
It was around Trump’s first presidency that half of Reddit realized the other half of Reddit wasn’t just memeing, the alt right went to their safe spaces, and Reddit began purging itself of all that was not marketable (good and bad).
The paid agents probably don’t consider the Lemmy communities big enough to invest time polluting them most of the time, it’s just not cost-effective.
Reddit wasn’t big enough back then either, it was only since Spez took over after Ellen Pao that you started to see more corporatization/astroturfing of the platform.
A website full of young 20-something gamers and tech bros just tends to skew a certain way politically.
The gamers idk, honestly, it’s hit and miss. You can have the multiplayer game addicts that start with racial slurs and end shooting up folks, but you can also have the ‘radical’ leftist (they’re just empathetic in the West, considered a crime by some there!) with the green hair. The tech bros (because of their inherent greed and superficiality), certainly.
I didn’t use Reddit towards the end so I might be a bit wrong but overall it feels a lot more likely that you will bump into the same people on here. Its nice that you don’t really get your karma farming GallowBoob types.
The misogyny on here seems more intense though even if the mods and admins are more on top of it.
seems alot less here, unless your trying to go to female communities to tell them otherwise.
Most of it tends to be where a woman will mention experiencing something disproportionately, as a woman, and there will always be a man in the replies saying that men experience it to.
There is a recurring thing on poor consent towards women’s bodies too, particularly whenever SWers are mentioned. That’s more of a carry over from Reddit though.
Hey, men experience disproportionate things, too. Like privilege.
From what I’ve experienced, it feels toxic in a bizarre liberal, Linux-nerd white knight kindof way. Which I think almost wraps back around to not being toxic at all and just feeling friendly in a passive aggressive way? Like going to a computer convention held on a hot, sunny beach. Sure, every here mostly agrees and likes the same geeky stuff but we can easily be too cranky about it, one way or another. Lemmy seems way more likely to engage in real conversation in comments and not just one-line jokes than Reddit. People seem more passionate about their hobbies or viewpoints. More likely to help if asked directly and detailed in response. It’s a cool place!
It’s a child of Reddit.
It grew up learning some good habits and some bad, it continues traditions it didn’t start, but it runs it’s own household with it’s own traditions, and is building upon the values it’s learned.
Absolutely the same material, just less density so instead of the instant “fuck you” here we can see an additional “what do you mean by that?!” stage. And less people with ban ability.
Eventually, when our numbers will grow significantly, you won’t be able to distinguish this place from Reddit.
Eventually, when our numbers will grow significantly, you won’t be able to distinguish this place from Reddit.
You will always be able to distinguish this place from Reddit. There are no ads or “sponsored” posts here on Lemmy.
Not official, labeled ones but eventually if it gets too popular, marketing teams will just create fake users and post ads as fake posts. Same as Reddit and any other social media platform has problems with
We have mods that use the banhammer as a disagree button, just like reddit. But we are also openly hostile to nazis unlike reddit.
100% has different cultures, however:
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Not necessarily better, due to lack of enforceable centralized moderation policy a lot of morally grey or dark communities and instances exist, and it is more susceptible to bots.
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Reddit was so absolutely massive compared to current Lemmy that it naturally did have more niches.
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People seem nicer here in general.
