I can see how a society that is constantly driven to civil war with each other by manipulative power-hungry oligarchs distracting from their endless greed and incompetence isn’t a great end-game to strive for.
Shame all these forays into communism weren’t headed by someone who wasn’t a hypocritical corrupt maniac, would’ve been interesting to see
Everyone always like to point out communist monsters that were subdued … but never think of the capitalist dragons we live under today.
Don’t forget also hamstrung by constant clandestine capitalist interference and sabotage (Cuba is STILL embargoed)
Hail to the Chief!
I’m not big on Star Trek, is this cannon or just the meme?
The quote is a modified quote by a different character (it’s about the Klingons slaying their gods), but O’Brien is canonically a union man and human society is canonically anti-capitalist. There is no money on Earth in the future.
No money but still private property. Viz. Picard’s family wine estate, Sisko’s dad’s restaurant.
There are many forms of occupancy and enterprise that don’t require ownership systems.
The Picards may live under a kind of willful covenant in exchange for the privilege of continuing association with ancestral holdings, for example. They may be obligated to work harder, or give up other privileges. Stewardship, with privileged access, but at real (noncapital) costs. Speculatively. I have no idea what is canon about the remnants of private property on Federation Earth.
Likewise a restaurant is typically leasing a location even now. If someone is running a restaurant that doesn’t run on money, what kind of equity is there? Nothing personal other than responsibility for equipment you have a right to use as long as the establishment is running, free labour associations where you have little power over staff, occupancy based on reliable regulation.
You don’t sell a restaurant or historic vineyard in gay luxury space communism times, you shut it down or find someone else to run it.
I’ve had this discussion before with other folks and the covenant model makes a lot more sense than other claims I’ve heard (“Chateau Picard is actually public property but they just live there and work the land”).
I’m not sure what evidence there is on screen for privileges given up though. Captain Picard seems to be extremely privileged anyway as the captain of Star Fleet’s flagship Enterprise, despite the fact that his previous command of the starship StarGazer oversaw the loss of the entire ship.
It’s especially puzzling given the rather extreme rigours we see Wesley Crusher go through in order to gain admission to Star Fleet Academy. Perhaps Star Fleet is only tough on recruits but gives a ton of leeway to its captains.
I suspect if there’s any covenant at all, the simplest one makes sense: the Picard family may continue to keep their wine estate as long as they continue operating it and producing the wine (which they can’t really sell in a society without money). Perhaps most of the wine they produce is distributed to the public (on a waiting list) so that everyone has the opportunity to enjoy it.
The situation may also be temporary given the fact that Picard’s brother and nephew died tragically and Picard has no children of his own so there would be no one to inherit from him. At that point the Federation government would take control of the estate unless Picard had some sort of will (possibly to place it in trust and continue to operate it the way his family had).
I will note that Rafi (sp?) roasts him for his family estate privileges when he visits her in her little desert trailer. There’s obviously still inheritable real-property rights in some attenuated form.
If the dialog isn’t the original, it’s very close.
The idea being capitalism diedduring the 21st century wars, and nobody brought it back after the Vulcans show up.
Don’t let O’Brien down.
ROA 284 : deep down everyone is avferengi
