So I’ve been barely active on Lemmy for a litany of reasons but I am active elsewhere. Specifically, Bluesky. I run an account that I’ve posted here a couple times called the Starfleet Press Office where I post lil tweets that take place kinda within the Star Trek universe, breaking the fourth wall to an extent. The idea is that the Department of Temporal Investigations owed a favor to the team in charge of the S.P.O so he got a temporal link to Bsky set up. For fun. So random tweets get posted that are commenting on current episodes (A few were made for different Lower Decks episodes as they were posted), other ones about just random events in the universe that I think would be funny (sometimes lining up with holidays, like some Santa teleportation nonsense), and others that take real world events and parody them in the Star Trek universe, like the ferengi CEO of a health insurance conglomerate getting killed.
I’m clearly doing something right because @RealGulDukat, the guy who posts Trump tweets as if Dukat said them, follows only 13 people on Bsky and one of them is me. So whatever nonsense I keep posting I’m just gonna stick with. Drop by and say hi!
Woke, you say? Dare I remind people what racial tensions were like when this episode came out in (checks notes) 1968?
Why were people outraged? That’s clearly an alien woman and not a black woman that Kirk has his tongue jammed down the throat of. /s
Yes. And all those cat girls are really 3000 years old.
Now? It’s amazing how people either didn’t know or willingly ignored TOS. Think about the episode with the half and half people, or the first time there was an interracial kiss. Star Trek has been “woke” since the 60s.
Slight correction but TOS didn’t have the first interracial kiss. A very, very early one, but not the first.
Not that it makes the kiss mean any less, just a clarification for future reference. So many people are assholes and I’ve seen them use that oft made mistake to try and discredit everything else someone says.
It is like the second one showing on national tv in the US.
Still pretty woke though.
Huh, didn’t know that. I thought it was the first aired during prime time. So who does that award go to?
Obviously Gene would rather be horny than racist.
Slight correction but TOS didn’t have the first interracial kiss. A very, very early one, but not the first.
Do I recall correctly that Trek did have the first one aired at primetime? I feel like I read that somewhere, but I don’t have a source.
Even if they did, TNG also has many “woke” moments, one still relevant today would be the gender identity episode either Riker and the alien that didn’t conform to the gender assigned to them by society.
No true fan could say trek is suddenly now woke
I wish anybody would make something as woke as DS9 again
Yeah!
Weirdly, The Orville is the recently created media that stands closest, in my opinion.
I think it’s a far cry from DS9.
And I’m pretty sure I don’t share many politics with Seth MacFarlane.
But The Orville genuinely prioritizes asking the audience to reflect on tough topics through a lens of empathy and compromise.
Sisko was obviously space Moses, not space Jesus.
@stamets is back!! We’ve missed you buddy!!!
<3 Hey buddy
I like the astromycology homage to the man, but boy it must be a weird feeling to have trek fans grabbing your real name as meme account handles online.
The real Paul Stamets is an anti-union man.
I literally could not care less what he thinks or how he feels. When he has an ounce of compassion, then maybe I’ll give a shit.
Aww man… He hired someone to manage the unionization process (they were bastards, because obviously they were, who isn’t a bastard that willingly works with management, jfc paul) who he soon fired when they started their union busting intimidation BS, then offered pretty extensive pay and perk increases to his workers. His employees then overwhelmingly voted not to unionize, in a process overseen directly by the WA secretary of state.
Paul is a brilliant mycologist and a truly terrible businessman - to that end, part of the promises he made to his employees was to step back from direct management and hire someone, you know, competent. But he’s also a very notorious hippy and the most vocal proponent of therapeutic psychedelics and psychedelic-enhanced therapy, and certain rightwing fuckwads have been absolutely trashing anyone that advocates anything to do with drug decriminalization. He deserves the criticism for hiring that group yes, fucking hell though even with that he’s done nothing to justify this extreme degree of loathing.
The only people who say this shit are people who saw a thirty-second segment on Fox News. Star Trek and Star Wars have been woke for as long as they’ve existed, and that’s partly why they’re so fantastic.
Deep Space Nine wasn’t woke because I hadn’t been radicalised when it was produced. Your move, snowflake
I don’t see how the Trill experience is like the trans experience in anything but the most superficial way. Unless we’re saying that a trans person’s new identity is something that was external and has since been imposed and internalized.
But that doesn’t get it right either. Every trans person I’ve met has rejected their previous identity and adopted a new one, but Trill incorporate their old identity into the new, and form a kind of synthesis.
The last part I find incongruous is that trans people work so hard to align their physical presentation with their internal experience so that others’ treatment of them reflects their self-perception but Trill defy this. Jadzia Dax presents very strongly as fem but behaves very outwardly as masc. This is a character ultimately designed to satisfy the male gaze and the male desire for a “drinking buddy”; i.e. the “action girl” trope.
I am trans. Your take is not accurate. There is literally no way to transition and at the same time, forget/abandon who you are as a person; skills, core values, ethics, hobbies, likes, dislikes, etc, etc. They persist.
What changes is what a person is “allowed” to like/feel/express.
Jadzia Dax presents very strongly as fem but behaves very outwardly as masc.
But the bit that matters is that characters we’re meant to admire chose to accept Dax as they presented at any given time, without giving them needless crap for it.
I recall most LGBT characters on TV at the time had to accept a studio mandated minimum quota of jokes at their expense.
Dax was refreshingly different, in being allowed to present as LGBT and as a heartthrob love interest.
(And bonus kudos to Garak the Simple Taylor for also being an LGBT heart-throb love interest when that certainly wasn’t allowed by the studios.)
This is a character ultimately designed to satisfy the male gaze and the male desire for a “drinking buddy”; i.e. the “action girl” trope.
I mean, yeah. You’re very correct that Dax is about male gaze much more than Trans representation.
But this sign I had made special for Star Trek applies once again:
Empathy through horniness still technically counts as progress.
Lol.
I always like to remind people that Star Trek includes the first ever
interracialkiss between a black and white person on TV.It’s always been “woke.”
(Edited. See Wikipedia article.)
Space Jesus? In my prophets?
Okay, but can we talk about how Star Trek was always “woke”?
Like they didn’t become woke. They always presented the progressive side as utopian.
Exactly!
Anyone who says trek is woke now has no idea what Roddenberry’s views were. The easiest and one of the first examples is Uhura who was on the bridge partly for the sake of representation for black women. That theme has continued they each series for many social issues of the day (even though berman kept it limited when it came to lgbt, who “protected” trek and kept it on air)
They’re telling on themselves when they say trek is woke now all of a sudden
Conservatives: Black Jesus? Jesus was from the middle east … Bisexual Terrorist? rebels against tyranny are not identified by sexuality … Trans Worm? it’s just another alien … Dr Twink and his fashion Lizard boyfriend? what happens in another star system stays in another star system … traumatized goo? just keep it in a jar … communist himbo? we defeated communism in the 20th century … PRO-UNION IRISHMAN!!!
PRO-UNION IRISHMAN!!! But O’Brien must suffer!!!
It’s the Union that’s too far for them.
The cops protected by the police union…vote anti-union
Woke was never the problem.
The virtue signalling to cover up terrible writing, acting and directing, is. DS9 was awesome, just like TNG. Any star trek after 2000 has just been anything but good, anything but star trek.
The Orville is a great example of how to upgrade star trek for modern times, it was the star trek we never got
Strange New Worlds is good, at least S1 (haven’t watched S2 yet)
I heard everyone rave about season one, but then again, so did they for discovery and Picard, that’s why I haven’t watched it.
Season two apparently is already going off a cliff, I hear loads of bad comments about it, so I think it’s safe to assume that the rest of BNW will also be horrible
The Orville is painfully derivative. It’s not the Star Trek show we never got, it’s reheated leftovers of the Star Trek show we already had thirty years ago.
NuTrek has certainly had its writing failures (looking in Picard’s direction), but at least it generally tried to let the franchise evolve.
And none of those failures had anything to do with “virtue signalling”. They’ve mostly been the result of committing to a season long arc with no meaningful plan and fumbling the ball halfway to the finish line.
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