Everything is just a grift now so not surprising
Capitalism reduces everything to transactional relationships
Eh, I’m gonna play the devil’s advocate here but when I thought about it, I’d say it’s more like a human nature or common sense. I can imagine a person who feels excited by posting spicy pictures online in 2011 and then realizing “You mean people are willing to pay for this shit?”
willing to pay for this
Capitalism. You shouldn’t strive to profit off doing things you enjoy. The profit motive IS the problem.
People selling their labour is an aspect of capitalism, but in that situation, you’re not the capitalist.
You shouldn’t strive to profit off doing things you enjoy
Sounds like a win-win to me
Only if you’re lucky. I loved programming. Used to do it all the time. Got a job doing it, and it’s just exhausting now. So much gets caught up in the process: money to survive, meeting other people’s deadlines and goals, etc. It kills the enjoyment.
Would you rather have a hobby, or food and shelter? Having a love of programming made you good at programming. But programming is a means to an end. It’s enjoyable, but if you don’t produce anything, you’re just masturbating. Once you are good at it, you don’t have to enjoy anymore.
Of course, you’d rather have food or shelter. And why would you not have food and shelter? Oh, because society deems that if you don’t work, you don’t live.
And don’t knock masturbating. It’s a lot of fun. So is programming with no real goal. Sometimes you enjoy the journey, not the destination.
Or maybe you shouldnt be telling people how to live their lives? Even fans of communism have dictatorial tendencies.
Advice isn’t the force of law. Don’t be silly. There’s plenty of reasons to hate communism that don’t require you to be silly.
That’s not common sense. That’s greed.
That’s why I only consume commie porn.
90% are sex workers but you’re right. Mods should ban any account that has external links meant to sell something. Gonewild was about having fun and now it went to shit like reddit.
Edit: Same thing for amateur communities. I report them as spam, it’s annoying.
There is amateur content on lemmy? :-)
Clearly there needs to be a market place that works better than filling up other socials. It would take very progressive movement to pull sex work out of dark places where sketchy people go and just give a place that sellers and buyers can find and connect easily, safely and that prevents users and abusers from corrupting it.
that won’t happen as long as it’s seen as something unholy, sinful, bad, shameful.
But that’s a much harder sell in an environment where orange clown has as much support and unbridled hate for humanity itself
I’ve been a member on a website that’s quite well known in my country for over 15 years. It’s like adult Facebook where people post nudes and it’s all free.
Recently however people have more and more started using it for advertising their OF and what I find funny/interesting is how I can tell most of these profiles simply by looking at their pictures as they always have this certain “onlyfans look” to them.
I’ve never used OF myself but the feeling I get from these profiles is that it’s way too obvious that they’re doing it for the money. There’s a completely different vibe to someone’s profile who just wants to show off because it’s exciting to them.
If there’s a pink stick coming out, its 100% onlyfans.
That fucking pink stick has ruined so many otherwise good videos.
For me, the first telltale sign is showing face. The second is the colorful background.
Alastonsuomi?
Yes
Enshittification has ruined everything.
Fish gotta swim, birds gotta eat
Tiger got to hunt
Bird got to fly
Man got to ask himself “why, why, why”
Tiger got to sleep
Bird got to land
Man got to tell himself he understand
Yeah, I’m echoing the sentiment.
I ain’t mad at anyone making money as best they can in the system we’re stuck in.
But it shouldn’t be everywhere. Some communities/subs are about people just sharing that they feel like, no ulterior motives at all. If that’s not what you’re doing, you shouldn’t be there
it’s supply/demand. there’s much more cameras and people online than 10-20 years ago, so the supply is plenty. people paying for this content is much more mysterious to me. why would I ever do that?!
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
However, to respond to it as a separate subject, there’s plenty of reasons to pay for content.
The primary one is ethics. When you’re paying for content via an intermediary site, you can improve two things. First, that the person is of age legally. There’s ways around it, but the people that would typically bypass that would also be less likely to be using an intermediary site like onlyfans, they’ll be elsewhere.
Second, consent. Again, while it isn’t a perfect guarantee, and there are cases of models being pressured or even forced into doing it, it isn’t the majority.
So, by paying up, you have a much better chance of enjoying your content without concern about the two biggest horrors of pornography.
Then, you run into quality and specificity.
While still not a guarantee, onlyfans models are well aware that they have to produce material that is clear and easy to enjoy, so there’s less selfies in dirty mirrors, or pics taken on fifteen year old crappy cameras. Onlyfans is also fairly well known for models that can and will do customized content since they’re getting paid.
So, by paying, you have the highest chance of getting materials that are going to not only be what you want, but can be enjoyed for a very long time because technology is good enough that even mid tier phones produce images that can be zoomed in to one’s heart’s content.
You can’t neglect the pride factor either. Some folks have this idea that paying for it means they’re better than people that don’t. It’s a dumb idea, but the are people that think that way
I can keep going, but I doubt that’s useful for you.
The point of all that is to break down the mystery of it for you, not to convince you to pay for anything. I don’t know what your motivations are when looking at erotic content; nor what your beliefs are regarding it other than being dubious about paying for it.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying free content at all. To the contrary, I think it’s a wonderful thing that there are places where people that enjoy showing their bodies can do so without any of the hassles and encumbrances that come with doing it for money. I think it’s a beautiful thing that there’s people willing to share their bodies visually, period. I dislike porn, but the beauty and variety of the human form is amazing, and when it’s celebrated, it makes me happy
And you can definitely use forums that do “gone wild” content in the way that the original post is about, where it’s just users sharing their bodies with no problem at all. That’s what they’re there for. But it does have drawbacks.
And that’s an outstanding explanation to why the OF supply infiltrated GW sites (and generally good points on the consent aspect). The net non-pro content remains more abundant than it was a decade or two ago, so it’s not like there was a net loss, it’s just the commercialization “tainted” some people’s “fun.”
Also, the more people pay for it the more infiltration of content promotion you’ll see into communities that are supposed to revolve around pure exhibitionism and “altruism”.
Paying, in the exact context of this topic, is to feign a legitimate connection with the performer. Whether you know it’s fake or not, direct interaction feels better. General examples of meaningless connections could be a celebrity answering your AMA question, could be a food company acknowledging your complaint, could be a car company noting your taste, could be a vibrator in a OF performer’s pussy matching the cadence of your tokens, could be a stripper listening to you cry in the vip booth. We are humans and we have silly feelings getting in the way of logic.
For the broader porn topic, paying is something you might do for appreciation of the content from particular sources or to maximize access to content not readily available by torrent. Or for addiction to novelty. I’ve thought about it because the hub/tube sites have shitty search algorithms that don’t do 100% keyword inclusion while pushing trending uploads that are either 90 second OF/cam teasers or overly abusive scenes.
yup, that’s my point. we judge the suppliers but the supply side’s motivations are much more straightforward than that of those on the demand side.
People making content for NSFW subreddits makes sense to me now that there’s good money to be made.
I didn’t really understand the motivation before when so many people made regular content for internet strangers for nothing. Especially when so many of the comments are so sleazy and rapey.
It wasn’t for nothing. It was to get off on it. Which made it more attractive than those doing it for money.
Right? We weren’t pretending to be horny just to get paid, we actually were depraved people getting horny for each other.
It was a simpler time back then…
Exhibitionism. It’s hot and fun when people get to see you be sexual
If you don’t understand it, then that probably just means you’re not into exhibitionism, but many people (including myself) are
It was for horni. Never underestimate the power of horni.
I’m one of the people still posting quite high cuality content of myself online for completely free (I’m a guy) I do it because I’m exhibitionist. I like being seen in minimal clothing in public as well, this is just a variation of that.
You need the right playground, and too many of them are become market places
It’s just hit me. Reddit is gonna start putting stuff behind a paywall, this will 100% be porn and OC creators might get paid, OF style, cause so many “advertise” on Reddit…why not cut out the middle man? Or I’m bonkers.
now it’s just flashing genatils not even a face is attached to the body
There’s a reason the original reddit community banned sales pitches, and took themselves off /r/all.
The worst part about browsing GW back then was how hard it was to get the onion off your belt.
But those were the days…
It was the style at the time
Meh. I see both?
I would prefer it that way if it meant they were all professional and ensure proper age vetting, but it seems like even that is lost.
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The issue that where you could once go and see people that did it just because they wanted to its now mixed in with / overpowered by by people that want to make money.
No one is arguing anyone is entitled to anyone else’s naked body. But I don’t think there is anything wrong with having a preference for wanting to see people who are naked because they want to be, and not because they want to earn money.
Not to mention all the evil / sexual exploitation that comes up once money is in the equation.
The OP didn’t complain so wtf are you on about? Calm your tits it’s an observation.
Found the american!
This might shock you, but everything isn’t about money.
