When you are creating your resume, you don’t need to put every random job you’ve ever had. What companies do is they look at your jobs on the resume, and at most call the employer and ask them if you worked for them and how you did at the job.

There is no way for a non government employee to know if you worked other jobs. Keep off any jobs that you worked at for less than 2 years and use every skill you learned as a skill for your resume.

Nothing hurts your resume more than having 3 or 4 jobs in a span of 2 years because it shows you are unreliable.

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    I know this is true for most employers, but I’m not sure I’d be willing to be confident that there’s no way for any company to know. I’ve heard more than one report of companies that sell that sort of information to certain partners.

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      There is no law or rule or anything that says you have to list all jobs. Leaving off jobs that don’t matter makes the resume easier to read. And if rhey do somehow find out and ask, you will know they are pretty meticulous.

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      The only way to know where you worked is really via tax documents. Unless the company has access to government databased they aren’t able to verify anything.

      There isn’t really any data that can prove you worked somewhere other than tax info.

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        Word-of-mouth is a thing.

        “Hey Sackeshi, didn’t I hear that you were working over at ABC Corp last year? I’m curious why you chose to leave that off of your resume?”

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    On the other hand, having a one year gap without any work raises its own red flags. Need a good reason to have large swaths of not working.

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        You get benefits for that (in some places), and why would you not list that on the resume ahead of time to explain the gap?

        Omitting Information is the largest red flag you can provide.

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          Because resumes are for listing relevant work experience not a timeline of your life events.

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            Being a caregiver is relevant work experience, quite sad that some people think caring for others isn’t relevant for a large portion of work…

            Talk about not trying to sell yourself wow. If shows a whole bunch of characteristics that are known for employability. Wild you wouldn’t want to show that you don’t mind putting others first, can work in a stressful environment, caring, works well with others, etc. m

            There’s also money involved, transit, you can always find something relevant in caregiving to any potential career.

            Or do you think caregiving is just sitting around all day doing nothing?

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              Being a caregiver is relevant work experience if the job you’re applying to is for caregiving, or at least something semi-related like the medical field.

              But if you’re applying for programming or sales positions it’s entirely irrelevant.

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                Dealing with finances, scheduling, planning and transit aren’t relevant to a sales position? That’s an interesting take.

                Do you not realize what being a caregiver involves?

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          I wouldn’t list it because it’s in a section that is titled “Work Experience” not my life journal. I even personally call mine “Relevant Experience” and note to please reach out if you’d like to see more, out of respect for their time. My full experience would take up like five pages of resume with everything else. Besides, to me the point of the resume is to get to that phone call, and after that I figure I can talk to anything they’d like to know.

          Man I wish I lived in a place that had benefits like that.

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            Being a caregiver is its own work experience, you should list it. How is it any different than the paid jobs that do the same thing?

            It also shows your willing to put your own stuff aside and help.

            I guess if you’re just using this as a lie, you wouldn’t realize all the actual benefits something like this could do for your resume.

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              Sure but being a caregiver doesn’t help explain why you’d be good for a software engineering role, or whatever.

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                Actually, caring for others, is quite a relevant work trait for even software engineering. Don’t want a bunch of people who can’t handle communicating with others or can’t get someone to do something.

                It’s all I how you spin it, and clearly you aren’t using this for anything but a lie if you think it’s not valid work experience.

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                  Tell that to the AI that processes 1000 resumes a day filtering ones that seem more “at risk” or “less professional” than others

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      This one is so crazy to me. I have two friends that seem to be facing this issue right now. One took 6 months off after being laid off from his job because he wanted to, had enough money to, and just wanted to take some time off and travel etc. He keeps getting grilled about it, and has been job hunting for another 6 months on top of it. Now he’s been unemployed for a year and is getting grilled even harder for it. Why is that a problem? Like why do people see that as some kind of flaw? “I had the resources to take some time off so I did” seems perfectly fine to me

      The other friend was suffering from severe burnout and decided to take a year off to get his own mental health in order. Once again, I don’t see the problem with that. If you can afford to take a year off and that’s what you want to do with your time and money, then right on, go do that. Life is for living. But now he’s having a very hard time getting a job because of it.

      Its kinda bullshit.

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      Indeed thankfully for us, covid which can reasonably span from 2020-2022 but yeah true.

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    Omit jobs held less than 2 years? In this economy? They’re all less than 2 years! Props to those who’ve held jobs for several years because you must be comfortable. Most people shopping aren’t comfortable and changing jobs has gotten me more money than any in-house raise ever did.

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      The longest I’ve ever stayed in one job is my current job. Which is currently rocking in on 2 and 1/2 years now. The second longest was 18 months. I’m not old enough to have decades worth of experience I don’t know what they want.

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    Can confirm. Worked nearly a dozen years for the same company straight out of high school, and have not had a single employer since verify my work history or references. This is to say, that my first employer with whom I had a good rapport and good reviews, has not received a single phone call or e-mail in this regard. I still talk with & see them on a semi-regular basis, and asked them - not one, not one single effort has been made to contact them and verify the contents of my resume concerning my time spent in their employ.

    Me @ Human Resources departments everywhere:

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      If you get any amount of work from recruiters they always call your references and/or your past jobs.

      I’ve given a handful of people permission to use me as a reference and every single time, that person goes hunting and will work with 2-5 recruiters over the course of their job hunt and from each and every one I’ll get a 20 minute call where they grill me about the candidate. It’s kinda exhausting as somebody who isn’t in charge of hiring/firing.

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    a couple thoughts:

    • I usually have a section called “Relevant Work” and another called “Other” where I say “Additional experience with [list my non-relevant jobs]”
    • if you are taking time off from working, try to do something educational at the same time. classwork at a local university / community college is great, or do online classes or even a bunch of tutorials and/or an open-source/volunteer project. then you can say: “I always wanted to learn about (that topic) so I took some time off to really study it.” it’s most beneificial if it’s work-related, but it doesn’t have to be.
    • present yourself in the best light, but do not outright lie on your resume because that might come back to bite you.
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    YSK we’re a 50 person company and we absolutely verfify employment. What a dumb fucking post. I know plenty of other places that do.

    Did not read very well…

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    I know for a fact that none of my references have ever been contacted for a reference. I have my old university professor is one of my contacts because at the time I was applying for jobs I didn’t have any other possible references I’d had no prior work experience.

    Anyway I never got round to actually be removing his name and a few years ago he contacted me to tell me he was retiring (I don’t know why he felt the need to tell me this), I asked him if anybody had ever asked him to provide a reference and he said no one had ever contacted him about it for me, or anyone else who’d put him down.

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    Nothing hurts your resume more than having 3 or 4 jobs in a span of 2 years because it shows you are unreliable.

    Yeah having no jobs for a span of 2 years would hurt your application more…

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      These are tears of…unrelated crying.

      I’m not in this post and it definitely doesn’t hurt.

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    Nothing hurts your resume more than having 3 or 4 jobs in a span of 2 years because it shows you are unreliable.

    I’d like to add that if you put start/end dates on your work history you should prepare talking points for any gaps this may leave when omitting jobs.

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    Most employers in my experience want the detail of what you were doing. They don’t like 2 year blanks.

    Having multiple jobs in a few years doesn’t show you are unreliable at all. There could be a number of reasons (short contracts, change of ownership, company closing, moving house, having kids, conditions changing) that forced your move.

    I’ve got jobs in the past because my CV showed I was able and willing to take jobs when opportunities came my way.

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      Yeah, I have 3x short entries on my resume for the same job. Company changed owners and name, then the company that contracted us hired me directly.

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    Good advice, but it depends. Some people don’t want to show a gap in their resume, for any reason. It all depends on the story you want to tell. If you think the experience is directly relevant to the story you are looking to tell, put it in.

    Did you do some temp work in your field for few months between full-time gigs? Probably best to include that, especially if you learned or applied relevant skills. Did you end up working in a different field to make ends meet instead? Probably best to leave that out, unless you can relate that unrelated experience to what you want to do now.

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    This also depends on the country and the industry. For many American jobs these days, your previous employer might be opening themselves up to a lawsuit if they said anything bad about you, so many companies now will at most identify the duration of your employment and your job title but nothing else.

    The point is not that a former employee would necessarily win a lawsuit, but they could bring one and the legal bills alone would be significant, therefore many company lawyers will say to just shut the hell up when asked any questions about performance.

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    Just get the dates right, down to the month. Beyond that, you can make just about everything else up and since most employers don’t want to foot the bill for actual due diligence, your interview performance is what matters next-most.

    Change your job titles to whatever fits the job you’re aiming to get now(remember you’ll actually need to interview for and do the job if you get it, so consider inflating only about 1 level of seniority upward).

    You can add unverifiable resume items to explain gaps, such as a side gig or volunteer experience or family event.

    You can make up 90% of the bullet points under each experience item too, which will increase net job search performance by 28% on average and 122% of hiring managers won’t read them or will read them and not ask about them anyway.

    If you think companies are going to keep your data and blacklist you, then you just need to formally request your complete PII file under applicable data privacy laws such as GDPR or CCPA. If they did keep your data, the same laws can be used to make them delete it entirely (assuming you’re not also their customer, in which case they’ll have permissible reasons to keep it until you discontinue your subscription).

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      I made a typo for one of my employment dates while filing the background check. Caught it right after submitting it and then asked around and everybody told me that they’ll call and ask about it if they can’t figure it out from just looking back at my resume.

      Next morning they called me and said they had to close the role because of budget cuts. Two months later I got an email saying my hiring was being paused because my background check was flagged and I had 10 days from the check to dispute it. I decided to call the company and they told me that they had already hired someone else for the role.

      So yeah, getting the dates right can be important.